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At this point they need to establish a run game. Collaros ain't gonna pass his way out of trouble now. Need a run game to lean on for now.

No I am expecting him to be part of the passing game when collaros is stinking up the joint. Last time he was here they used some packages where he got to run a real offense. Feels like he's just got the prukop package right now which is stupid. Streveler can play qb. He's shown that in the past. He is a weapon, use him rather than treating him like a running back.

Well Nichols was also basically injured to the point of retirement... that's what this team used to do, bring in depth. Not like collaros was a one man show in 2019 either, streveler played half the games in the playoffs despite a busted ankle.

So what is it that made people doubt strevelers ability to play quarterback? Is it his NFL time?

Neilson would do well to have suitor taken away from him IMO.

The way they've run training camp the past 2 seasons and set up their practise roster and game day roster seem to indicate that they really don't..

He's being paid like a guy who can...

It was zachs bread and butter... but his mobility looks like late stage calvillo thrse days and he can't play the role of pocket passer. Getting old sucks.

We can go round and round on that and we'll never know until we see something different... but collaros ain't doing himself any favours and that's plain as day regardless of whether the ol misses blocks. They're not missing every block out there.

I believe the real complaints about nichols only started when he physically couldn't do the job anymore.... kind of like Collaros is now. Dude can't escape like he used to and he's being eaten alive because of it. He is making the OL look worse than it is. Did it last year too but Brady just decided to carry the offense on his back.

They have to actually give him the playbook before we start counting. When he's just asked to go in and run the ball on gimmick **** how is he supposed to show anything? Guy came into the league as a real qb and showed he could do it. then Lapo turned him into a gimmick. Do we think he's a worse passer now after multiple years of pro experience than he was as a rookie? We don't win the 2019 grey cup without Streveler. Guy wasn't signed to do Prukop things. Let the guy play because at this point I don't believe Collaros can carry this team either. What about those first two games makes anyone have confidence in him? Brutal ints, can't escape pressure, staring down receivers and forcing passes.... Yeah more of that for the highest paid player in the league.

We have a much more stable group running the team now. Not likely to slide in that direction IMO.

Well would you rather see this happen this year or next?

How much protection do you need? 3/4 of your team blocking and schoen has to try and get open 1 on 3?

At this point I'm not convinced that would be a bad thing for the team...

It's football, there's always a lot of egos involved. But if losses keep happening and obvious roster problems keep getting ignored walters or Miller will come have a talk and either oshea refuses to listen, and we have a problem, or more likely regardless of strong opinions or words shared he does listen and tries something else. Here's the thing, they're all more patient than we are and it's easy to give oshea lots of rope with the # of wins and back to back to back to back cup finals. That won't last forever though.

Ok now y'all are really overboard. No reason to fire oshea at this point not even close. Just need his bosses to tell him to start using the roster better.

Been there done that, got the t-shirt. Only time lapo could win was when his D dragged the team kicking and screaming to a victory.

The return game is predicated on making the first guys miss. To do that you need to be moving forward when you catch the ball and be willing to hit the cover guys sometimes. Mitchell is slow getting to the ball and guys are sitting waiting for him, and if he does catch the ball clean he turtles when he senses a hit coming. Never succeed as a returner doing that.

Hear me out... that first game against bc last year where they thumped us... that broke collaros. Sure he rebounded in the rematch against bc, but ever since then he's become gunshy in the pocket. It was only saved last season because of Brady Oliveira and the run game. I really thought the ability to tandem streveler and collaros was the key to getting collaros through the season... so let's give streveler some qb plays and not just make him run into the line. Prukop could do that if that's all you want.

Well that was the point of what I was saying. You need a good roster not a collection of good players

And he's right... we do have a lot of really good players. Now, do we have a functional team?

Forgetting the quibbles about which guy should have been kept or not... the real issue with the roster is that there's no rhyme nor reason to the way the game day roster is constructed. They seem to put guys on it for unknown reasons which doesn't leave them flexibility if things go sideways in a game or to maximize the performance of every one... some one really needs to sit down with oshea and tell him to stop wasting spots on the game day roster and actually have some contingencies a d development plans in place.

Augustine did something with the ball when they decided to get him involved. Why they didn't use him who knows.

Honestly thought he was the best of the ones that played in preseason. He is a ***** plain and simple. Afraid of catching the ball, afraid of getting hit. Just the most useless kind of returner.