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Yeah, I think generally is all we can say. But I also think that the general opinion is very close. Mos and the long-term ASTs have talked a bit about the prep process, and I don't think there are any great tricks in how we do things. If anything, it's probably far closer to how we perceive the operations to be than most would believe. We are the antithesis of tricky in terms of operation, strategy, and decision-making. The mafia is like Bart Simpson playing rock, paper, scissors, throwing rock every single time. I fully believe that Mos and his COs feel like they have a highly collaborative game planning, where they have the freedom to put on the field what they want. But I think the echo chamber has left us in a position where only people who make like-minded decisions are in that room to collaborate. They are all too busy expounding on the intangible virtues and longevity of guys like Kola and Thomas to want to take them off. I don't think the type of person who would say, "that former star is over the hill and needs to go," gets or holds a job in our franchise. And I would bet my house that Cyril Penn and Ryan Ringmaiden were both that guy. Both guys could've moved up the chain more here. Both spent relatively short stints here, but both brought in some incredible US talent.

100%. Im a fan and believer in Eli. If he can't be that guy, it's time to move on. I really liked the early showing from Viebert in this camp, and they worked him in some at C too. Ethan Pyle is a free agent who would be worth grooming at C imo. Hocevar is in a similar boat, both are high ceiling guys that would be worth sitting on a PR, or IR. Centre is a spot where you don't need the best 1on1 guy in the world. You need a guy who works well with the guards; he's the Robin to their Batman. He can't be a guy you can fold up like a cheap lawn chair, and he needs to be reasonably athletic as he will often be the guy going to the next level in zone runs. We did great in the past, taking undersized, athletic Cs with solid polish and turning them into all-stars. Kola isn't even really undersized; he's just not built like an OL at all. Not an OL in the last 20 or so years any way.

Snapping to the pistol is much easier than the shot gun as well. The ultra deep snaps aren't as common as they used to be.

How bout these stats, his 3 best years rushing the passer, he put up a total of 53 sacks. Tony norman is 2nd all time with a bomber career total of 59 sacks. So 3 years of jones would still be the 2nd best pass rusher in team history. WJ, working in his 6th season as a Bomber, has 44. Jeffcoats 6 6-year career totaled 38. Brown got 52, swac and walls both had 47. Jones put up a total of 15 picks in his career. He put up a receiving TD, a pick 6, and a fumble recovery for a TD. And talk about a guy who stayed on the field, a real throwback player even in that era.

No joke. Different era, that said we've struggled to find sack masters for a long time. After jones 87 season here with 15, I feel like the next big seasons where Swac with his 22 then Idk hunt in 2010? I feel like if I looked up the number of 12+ sack seasons in the past 40 years for the bombers, that I would feel woozy and depressed.

Imo, the most over due addition to the ring.

Great news for the league. Hopefully we see more qb health around the league.

Really depends on the coach. The hc is the one making final decisions. But especially here it’s going to be very collaborative. That said I don’t think either of our CO’s would try to or be able to convince mos that say Jake/kola are wastes of space. We like yes men here sadly. At the end of the day, the hc is responsible for fielding the best squad. If he delegated a lot to his cos, who he picks, and it leads to bad decisions frequently, it falls on him. The thing about promoting from with in for soo long is no one is going to give a different perspective. He’s struggled at G in pass pro. Some guys can’t play inside but excel outside, like hardrick. Some guys can’t play the other side of the line. Eli hasn’t played a lot at C but has been good. Eli on the edge can block 1vs1 with the best of them in short yardage. He can snap, so it’s only a gain over kola who can only snap.

You need to atleast be able to create pressures and push/collapse the pocket with your front. That also ensures that if you send extra rushers, the pocket time will be very small. Defence these days are heavily reliant on disruption. We aren’t doing that nearly as much as we did last year. We’re running a lot of 4-2 and 4-1, 3-2 is pretty limited.

Agree. Korny too. Just doesn’t make sense. That’s true, but it’s also hard to project stats at DT. It’s not a high volume tackle spot in high reps. 2 tackles a game at dt in high volume is really good. 2-3 is extraordinary. The volume of our pressures and sacks thatve come with him in the field is crazy. Especially when with Lawson.

Yep. Our wins have been heavily skewed by the fact that we had a ridiculous talent edge over the rest of the league. Look at how our DL dominated; we ran every alignment imaginable, with every single combination of players. Everything we did after we started, Zach worked. With every sub and roster change. That team is among the most overpowered in league history. The fact that much of the core is still competitive speaks volumes to that. Mos has done a lot of great things here; we could've won with almost any HC. Not any coach could've turned us into that squad, not any coach could've come back from last year's start. But a bunch of coaches would have more GC rings in his place here. Your claim is that absurd. We see outstanding rookies at every single position in the CFL now. Even QBs here n there. For real though, who did Kornelson out play and how? The backup QB is the most popular guy amongst the fans. The thing is, we have several below-replacement-level guys like Kola and Jake. Would you like to go do a head-to-head comparison of forced into action PR back-ups vs those guys in film? Can show real clearly that some guys we play are average PR or below guys. Funny thing is the same thing happened last year in PS too. On top of that, our brutal useage of biggie, feeding him to OL to prevent double teams, caused his precipitous downfall and injuries. We battered the poor guy into a career grave. We were not first in pressures last year, which aren't openly tracked or released on a reliable in-season basis. Classic distraction technique. Teams often track it themselves and quantify it. He tried to say at one point last year that Jake had the most pressure in the league. The gap is actually widening in terms of pressures as well, between us and the rest of the league. Teams like Sask, To, and a couple of others are running much more aggressive fronts, doing basically the opposite of what we did last year. The riders have had an absurd amount of pressure on opposing qbs this year. More real pressures than we had all last year. Very few.

100%. Back to guys like Hurl and Kuale. We hoped then that it was just because we had a bad team, which we did. But his roster management hasn't gotten better since then. In fact, as a coach, he's not improved an only gotten worse. Gone are his brilliant trick plays, especially on teams, challenges that were good or served to back up a player/expose a bad decision, gone is even min-maxing the ratio. I've never seen a more complacent coach in all of sports. There is a good chance we don't even make an AR change going into the next game after the bye week.

Teams with better DL than ours are using our former players, while our "superior" guys get whupped. If we made a DL of former bombers on CFL ARs, it would be handily better than our own.

It is the coach's fault if you are suffering at a position, like say DE, after cutting a bunch of guys who are now elsewhere in the league. Kinda like the situation we see right now. Cedric Willcotts is even back on the AR in Calgary.

So we sign Patrick Surtain, reigning NFL MODP. He isn't an upgrade over Bridges until he proves it, even if Bridges is proven to be below replacement level? If that were remotely true, free agency wouldn't be what it is, and defenders wouldn't get paid to go to other teams. That might be the earliest point you are able to recognize an on-field value differential, but that isn't a blanket that covers everyone's eyes. To that point, TC and PS would be completely worthless. That doesn't prove that he is willing to make the changes, it proves he is only willing to do it at the last possible minute after it's cost us repeatedly.

It isn't the same as the Argos or our D last year. Last year and the Argos used a 30 front, this year we are using a 40 base again. It isn't by scheme, that's why JY is blitzing at the highest rate we've seen in the entire mafia era. He's trying to get extra pressure a lot more often than we are playing drop 8, little on drop 9. Consistent player underachieving and especially in execution, is coaching. That is the level we are willing to accept at a leadership level. We didn't deploy a combination of a roster and a game plan that could win, despite being a heavy favorite especially in the last GC. That is coaching. We could've won with just a better roster. We likely would've won with better coaching as well. But if we managed the roster better, the game plan would've needed less improvements.

As a rotational Lber, his 2023 performance rushing the passer in Toronto would be 3rd best for us, in the past 4 seasons among all players. 1 behind JJ, and 4 behind WJs best year since 19. He's the most disruptive player we have on D, and the best range of any lber on our roster. Top 2 for tackling ability too. Tony jones is a lunch box guy, jonathon jones is one of the best lbers in the league. We can also pretend that we haven't started the last several years with brutally bad DBs who get replaced by younger guys who are instantly better. The Tyquann Glass, rock Cartrights etc. Or that Josh Johnson was better than anyone little on Wheatfall, who did Colin Kornelson beat out lmao. No one in this league would argue Kornelson has any business taking reps over Adams and Lawson. And yet he does. Anyone can watch Kola in iso and see he can't pass block or find guys to block when he gets downfield in the run game. All he can do is snap the ball well. He is the most limited player in the entire league. Look at the riders OL, they've surpassed us. Look at Randolph handily outplaying Lofton's level from last year. Look at Venterpool being maybe our best OL in his games at G. Would you like to argue that Corcoran is better than Cobb? Have you seen Ayers' snaps at DE? I love the guy, and think/thought he could have use as a situational pass rusher from a Jack position, but he's been brutal. Why don't you pick one of the often lauded bad players, Kola, Thomas, etc or one of the above-mentioned guys. Come up with some "evidence" other than an appeal to authority fallacy, and I'll do a breakdown and show you the guys who are below replacement level or that we have better on the roster.

Last game kyrie made 3 tackles, 2 on short yardage plays after first down yardage, 1 in the run game for a short gain. Jones made stops of 2 yards 3 times in the run game, leading to two punts and a 3rd and short. He made tackles after gains of 4 yards (first down), 9, 5(first) 3 (first) and 5 yards. That’s jones making the biggest contribution to run stops, but also frequently after a successful run. This is very comparable to what we’ve seen in each game this year.

Wilson makes the best decisions, is assignment sound, good in pass cover and a reliable tackler. Problem is he can’t get off the block of any one any more, and doesn’t have that explosiveness to close gap, lay a hit, or shoot a gap. He isn’t cooked like biggie, getting steam rolled by every rb in the hole. And he tends to get better and better. Which we really need him to do since we are married to him. The time it takes him to get back up to speed, he basically can’t afford an injury this year. Jones is hands down better in the box, he’s explosive and strong enough to make plays. His run instincts are good decision making mediocre and lost continually in coverage. Id rather play all small guys who can cover , rally to the ball, wrap and tackle than a guy who can’t cover.

I’ll take mills

I agree it’s not that he’s stingy or some thing. We have a tendency to over pay our role guys and that hamstrings the budget. I suspect we have the reputation of a none factor for elite free agents though. In the end, it doesn’t matter if you can’t or won’t compete with top free agents. If you don’t do it long enough it hurts your ability to pull in guys when you do want them. I agree that our new recruits have been an issue. Primarily being that we just don’t play the best guys. But I think this years crop was much better with new blood in the front office. Combine that with the fact we took our foot off the drafts gas pedal and hunted for mainly kick cover guys, and suddenly we are thin with ni depth. We’ve gotten back to where we need to be in the draft the last two years. But the previous couple will still take time to out run.

Yep. For instance, the Raptors have been approximately a top 10 salary team the last 2 years, and a bottom 10 team both of those years. Which despite rebuilding for only part of that, led to their president Masai being fired. Who brought them a championship in 19. The blue jays have been in a similar situation and had all the pressure in the world to fire atkins and shapiro. They've hit a hot streak in the last 10 or so days and taken the pressure off, but pre all star break hot streaks mean little in the MLB. It's not enough to say we spent the most money we could when you spend poorly. The job of balancing the SMS is min-maxing.

I mean when we originally gave him the money it was a fair investment. But the length of time he’s gotten it and will get it is extremely problematic. It’s a long list tbh. Wj hasn’t been an elite dl for a while. The bonus money we wasted in the off season etc.

Atleast he’s entertaining. The reffing is Mickey Mouse at best any way in the cfl.

I think the first sentence is the key here. We have over paid a bunch of guys. Kramdi is making elite money, we paid Lawson big money which is ok but we don’t play him nearly enough snaps for that money, Demski is banking massive cash, etc. we have given guys pay days they wouldn’t have gotten any place else.