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I’d hire beau Baldwin to be the oc, away from Calgary. Then if he retires I’d hire masoli to be the qb coach and assist beau. That gives you as much diverse, high end offensive systems experience as you will ever see in the cfl. Masoli, with his experience is able to help Baldwin adjust to play calling in the cfl as well. If Masoli doesn’t retire, it’s khari jones. After beau id have a varied short list with guy like Brennan Marion, and some other d1 young disciple or divergent types. The idea would be a newer to the cfl co with a vet qb experienced in many systems to support his adjustment. Failing that, it’d be give AC ast hc title, or June jones, and Marc trestman type picks. I’d rather develop the guy and start early in the off season, but failing a blue chip guy id go for a guy who’s been a hc and succeeded. I think with Paul you’d need some one as his qb coach to temper him. Maybe some one to take over calls in the hurry up signalling etc. Paul’s down fail has always been getting in his own way, similar to buck. So I’d want a qb coach who could push him.

I liked what I saw from Wilson for potential. I wonder if dole went in and stayed in though, might we have won the game? Can’t know now, but he sure wouldn’t have done worse.

I thought zach was past it last year. I was past his post season performances last year too. He might have a few good games left in him. I would not rest a season on his shoulders again. Buck is the main problem, but zach is toast too. The cfl offensive systems are soo stagnant Paul would be Better than average. My short list wouldn’t be popular I don’t think.

Zach isn’t gonna get dumped for turn overs, it’s cus he’s done. Maybe atleast here, and he’s had 1 good play off game. BLM got dumped because he was done. Zachs been throwing hospital balls for a while. I did the numbers this time last year and that looks right to me. Take out the west final and it gets even uglier.

Yep. I’m sure they are who Randy was alluding to in terms of abusing the appearance money as well. Christmas Day, Jake kola the punter and biggie sign extensions with considerable raises. 🤢 I think we will hear some kind of change by Christmas actually. Retirement, firing (buck), release no intentions to resign etc.

I think winning made mos ultra conservative, and that winning 2 in a row took away the hunger to win. The old go 1-0 this week became less about being present and focused on the task at hand, and more about wins covering up the stink of coasting/bad execution/ bad game plans. I think the mood is more not wanting to lose than wanting to win. Wanting to enjoy prep rather than being tireless. They built it, they achieved the goal twice. It feels like they are very complacent to maintain it rather than tear it up and rework it every year to make it better. You have to kill good to become great. And when you stop improving you quickly get worse in sports. There is no static. It’s growth or death. I also don’t think that is equal across the mafia. No chance does wade have that. Or Jy imo. Walter’s has some, mos has a lot, buck has nothing else.

With zero insider knowledge I’m seeing the classic red flags of turmoil. I think it’s offensive and with buck/zach mainly. I could see the dl being un happy too, but I think that will sort out. I think the loss of yoshi, and sheed in the off season hurt leadership and the locker room more than any of us could know. Those were our two biggest glue guys. In the past we lost guys like kongbo who set a very high work ethic and held every one around him to that standard.

I mean we duped them into khari back in the day lol. I legit think once Alexander is off the market and vaj too that you could trade any former all star qb. BLM was traded and he was as bad as zach. agree. And I don’t like how turn over prone he is.

I’d add kyrie and Haba to your underscore list. I also think benson retires and leroux comes back from college to take over. 100%. Break the bank year. Take the fines, give up a draft pick if you need. It’ll be interesting to see how far over they are. Most overages have been dollar for dollar in the first two tiers so far. They might get a heavy bill or even a draft pick taken away.

Oh damn thanks for sharing for the not twitts like me! I really think we see some change this off season more than we saw in the last off season and regular season. fool me once shame on you. Fool me 3 times… Damn that’s interesting and nauseating but some how not surprising.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

And to be fair having a well prepped back up qb with full roll over of your back ups in the same year is very hard. But it is also critical. I put part of that blame on us insisting that 1 qb spot is just a short yardage guy instead of using that as a full development slot. We never should’ve lost brown and had to start from scratch with a new guy. Elevating your no3 to no2 is how you successfully move a 2 to 1 eventually and Stop ending up in situations where you have completely raw qb2s.

It’s not about motivation. You can’t motivate pro players these days. The dynamic just isn’t like that any more. Preparation is about film study, finding opportunities, then applying tactics to accomplish your strategy. Players are a part of that film study, on the back end. The coaches find the opportunities and bring in the tactics. Some players, guys like Willy, will do more of that. But it’s just not gonna happen players up. Especially in the cfl, especially with 20 some thing imports. Down south you’d see a guy like von miller back in the day heavily involved in that process, but even in the nfl that’s an outlier case. Position coaches have the film prepped and come in with the plan. It’s their job to have a plan for the start of positional meetings. Players will help shape that more or less. But it’s coaching to get them into position to succeed. We wouldn’t have won. We were losing the field position battle and couldn’t sustain drives at any point. Even with the lead we were sliding into a loss. Go look at any high end football coach talk about prep and execution. Watch Seattle’s coaches talk and coach tackling in the legion of boom era. It’s crystal clear. It’s all coaching. If one guy fails to execute you can blame a player once or twice. When multiple group sets fail repeatedly you only have coaching to look at. How many times this year did Wr struggle to execute? many times in the past 2 years has zach struggled to execute? Look at the calibre of wr we have. 3 healthy guys capable of 1k plus. It’s not a coincidence that players repeatedly struggle to execute in multiples at the same positions. It’s coaching. Honestly in the NIL era you don’t even / can’t motivate kids in D1 much any more. Coaching is all prep, execution, installing tactics and strategy, leading with character. Coaching isn’t what it used to be, people have Ill conceived notions of what it used to be and now that is just way way off from reality.

I really think we have a chance to see change on the offence. Buck coming down to the side line, the clear frustration zach had many times this and last year, seeing mos make offensive calls at times, I think we will pull the trigger. I just can’t see them running it back with buck and zach. I’ve been fooled before but the signs are strong.

Right? I want a 100% old school throw back for alts, no more racing stripe shoulders, and the regular line up of tops n pants.

Don’t agree at all that it’s 95/5. Defence did enough to win. Players and coaches. teams, coaching wasn’t an issue. Lucky was 95% of the problem on teams. on offence, boy it is an ugly mess. The ol did what they had to do and so did Brady. Wrs, qb, and buck were all horrible. Wrs got worse with the game, so I put more blame on zach. But buck was worse than zach. He didn’t have a game plan that put us in a position to succeed. It was all damn the run (12 minutes with out a run nearly to start) chuck it deep. And he didn’t lift till late. even when he lifted he went back to the same thing in the 2nd half. We didn’t run 1 jet sweep. We didn’t run 1 rpo rolling screen. We didn’t run the signature concepts that zach Demski and lawler excelled on like flag, dagger, j/o, p/o, end zone etc. we didn’t use any counter, trap, wide or outside zone. We saw one rocket concept play, and none of the mesh that was sprinkled in mid season. We also ran 0 hurry up sets. Pace used to be a hallmark of our offence, we’d get a favourable miss match of personnel then hammer teams with hurry up. We can barely get the huddle broke with 10-12 seconds left. Toronto ran hurry up frequently and frequently broke the huddle as play was whistled in. Early this year we had to run from the huddle to the line and snap it because the play was soo slow coming in. (You can see zachs speed up hand motion to buck on the side line in the huddle) A big red flag for our offence is when we have more incompletions than Brady runs. This could be a running problem if Brady is getting 3-4 a pop. But when he’s getting 8-10 with a big run and 5-6 on average it’s a play call problem. When we go big chunks of time between runs and throw a lot of incompletions, we kill drives. It’s the ocs job to adjust to the situation and D. If you’re going 2 and out, get that good gain on first then use easy catch and run completions to get the offence going. Use play action and motion to keep the defence honest. We made no adjustments or attempts to counter Toronto or our weaknesses the whole game. if buck did his job, when zach got hurt we’d a had a comfortable lead. Zach didn’t put him self back out and keep him self in. That’s coaching. Blame doesn’t split normally. Really every one with fault in the loss gets 100%. But if you want to split it, buck gets 70% the WRs and zach split the rest. Mos shares blame with buck. The week of the game is spent doing install which includes the first 10 ish plays on offence being prepared. After 2 or so it’s if this then run that. Our plan was just to beat torontos corners deep and try to blow them out early. We had no back up. We had no pivot plan. Some people have been in those rooms, others have only been in chat rooms. Most people on here have no idea the work that is put in doing prep for a game, or how big a play book with all the install packages is. If you haven’t seen any of that, dunning-Krueger likely has you in its grip.

I dont think that happens any time soon. I think we got a couple years. Plus if buck leaves it gives him the opportunity to become ast hc in a year or two. I fully believe he will continue to hone his craft as a dc and not rush. Hubert dropped off hard for several games before getting parked on the pr. He looked to hit the wall to me. I was surprised he didn’t get a shot to come off though.

Agree. One maybe two first downs away from a fg too.

We had 8 drives with no runs, not including the last or keeling at the half. 4 2 and outs 2 picks. That’s out of 13 total drives (again with out the final drive of the half and Game for us) We didn’t run till just before the 3 minute mark of the first half. A big part of continually going 2 and out was not running. We had 1 pick on 2nd down after a run, and 2 2 n outs. On the 2 and outs we gained 5 yards on the ground on first down and threw incompletions after on 2nd down. We went 2 and out because we didn’t run, and couldn’t string together completions. A part of not being able to string together completions is not running which means you can’t use play action.

Yeah I wouldn’t want to jump ship on collaros till we have the next guy lined up and signed. Kelly is a solid tackler, he had one big hit this year but I don’t think he’s a hitter. If we flip the ratio at S we wouldn’t need another ni dt. We’d take an imp off for an ni which could allow us to throw in an imp db for Kelly some times. Though I think Hubert helps. I’d also keep both back up ni dts in camp for next year. Wouldn’t hurt to draft another but that’s pretty solid depth. I think we will pay ford well and I think he will want to stay in JYs system. Teams may come for him, but it took time to get used to the system I don’t think he’d want to risk how other teams play.

Thanks. Is that before the renegotiation of his deal? Idk how that might’ve shifted his numbers around if not. But it’s a lot better than 600k with 350-450k guaranteed that I thought he had. We could find that for 6 bucks or 3 Burger King coupons.

You know his finger looked way worse than just cut. In middle school I actually tore a bunch of skin on the side my index finger playing flag football. (Old rusty buckle bit me when diving for a flag) and as it happened I was playing qb. It’s a mess for sure to throw like that. But zachs finger didn’t look like it was just tore up. It looked badly busted. That clear pain he was in when throwing didn’t look like stitches under a glove. It looked like serious pain. I bet he broke the crap outta that finger. I love the heart to keep trying and to try deep with that. But damn some ones gotta save players from them self. Qft. I would’ve put in the dole, just because of experience. He’s been here long enough to understand the weeks install. But Wilson looked surprisingly competent.

Sink cost fallacy is a good way to look at it. I thought zach has more than 250 guaranteed? It’s a grey cup hosting year after the last 3, salary cap be damned. If ever there was a time to open the vault and take punishment at the end of the year this is it. Probably still won’t be as bad as what bc did this year any way. Idk if he’s matured a lot or not. He has done and said all the right things since he went to bc. Might be real might not. He’s talented, but he’s not the fit I’d want game wise.

A chance? Yes. Do we have a way to control our destiny and take that game? I don’t think so. D did what it had to. I think they’ll be even better next year.

Agree with most of that. I’d keep Lofton, especially if Bryant retires. If not, unless we get a premiere tackle I bring him back and have him actually fight for the spot. He did improve, and he’d be better at guard. I’d bring schmekel back for camp depth and try to flip him to be more of a versatile big. If we could go to 6ol, and use schmekel as the 7th blocker, a teams guys, and a back up dl that’d be great. Especially with carrying mci, feltmate, woli and big kev. Feltmate is excellent on teams and a tough body to account for in heavy sets. So is mci and honestly big kev. But bringing 7 ol 2 fbs and a big wr is a lot of roster usage for not a lot of reusable depth.