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See here's the thing, I have never thought of lapo as totally useless... but he is more of a loser than a winner. The guy frankly needs his defence to be all world for him to win. 2002 was also his first go round as an OC and one might argue that he's been trying to capture what he had there the entire time. Couple great receivers and a RB/FB combo that were great pass catchers out of the backfield and could run the ball effectively as well. His play not to lose mentality and arrogance around how offense should be played is what ultimately holds him back. I mean we had success offensively in the semi-final vs. calgary because Streveler ran all over the Stamps D in the 2nd half and the offence was good in the Grey Cup, but can we honestly say we were fans of the offensive production in the West final? They just hung on for dear life and hoped the defence and special teams would carry the day. I also go back to the swaggerville grey cup game too. Lapo's offence didn't try to win that game, they just hoped for the defence to carry the day. Can't stand a guy who has that attitude and at this point it's too deeply ingrained to change cause he comes across as very arrogant and unwilling to change.

I think what we are seeing with Craig Dickenson is a guy who was thrust into a role he is not capable of performing. They had to promote someone from within to head coach when Jones bailed right? And Dickenson was the choice because they didn't have a lot of great options. So what we see here is a guy who is a very good special teams coach being in a position where he is just unable to manage a collection of selfish me first players. He just doesn't have that strength to tell players to fit in or **** off like a Mike O'Shea does.

I am not even referring to that, that's just a **** happens kind of bad luck play. I am referring to the fact that Roberts played like complete dog **** in the 07 grey cup game. Now memories are fuzzy and I ain't going to back to watch that **** but I seem to recall them trying to get the ball into his hands early with some passes and he proceeded to drop them.

Oh he gets a lot of blame for 07 from me. Was brutal in a game that he was needed in. and let's not forget that in 01 he quit on the team for a while when he felt he wasn't getting enough touches. Hell of a talent and overall a positive for the team but he had a lack of professionalism that probably did cost this team some potential championships.

You really think he got the most out of Streveler? Cause to me Streveler became a worse passer the longer he was in this offense. And come on with 02. Stegall and Bruce you go deep and Khari will lob it up to whichever is not double covered. Yeah so smart, much brains. Deep shots to Stegall and Bruce or let Charlie and Sellers bash and crash on the ground. Brilliant stuff. Oh and he also got Jones shoulder crippled too. Got Willy smoked more times than was good for him and ruined whatever he might have become. Nichols got a dinged up shoulder too. He's lucky Durant was such a horse or he might have got him crippled too. Let's be honest, it was talked about how Harris was the perfect Lapo back for a long long time. That was a case of getting a player that was going to fit. Same reason Demski was a fit. Dressler was another good fit. And isn't it interesting that Whitehead looks like a heck of a receiver when he's not being played to try and make him a Dressler 2.0. Lapo is very much over rated. He can do some good things but overall he is lacking. We are luck to have won with him as OC.

Yeah 100% deserves to be recognized. He gave a lot for this team. It is just a shame that the way it ended was such a sour note.

I didn't mind the argos this season but man I hope this blows up in their faces spectacularly.

yeah pretty low thing for the argos to do, I had thought their D was playing well this year. Certainly not so bad you make a change at this point.

The best OCs are the ones that best utilize the talent they have. Lapo has a history of believing you match players to his system. Pierce I think is much more of a adjust to the players you have as opposed to believing 100% in your system.

Much less one dimensional. The team can score a lot more quickly now and doesn't always need to make 7 or 8 plays to get into field goal range. Right now you gotta defend everywhere on the field for the Bombers.

No I am a fan of what collaros is doing, but the coach is putting the receivers in a position to make catches in zones for his qb. did you want any of Ottawa last night? How many times did you see the receivers for ottawa stop and wait for a pass to let the dbs comes downhill on them? Lapo doesn't do his receivers any favours when going in the intermediate routes.

The longer the season goes on I feel like Pierce is really coming into his own and working with the players he has. He's giving Collaros the options to make plays with his receivers and it's working very well. Still keeping the running game heavily involved. really seems to be letting receivers show their ability compared to previous years.

Yeah the media is very reluctant to admit that they over estimated the riders. I think what people fail to see is that the Bombers don't pop off the page in terms of scoring and blowing teams out, but those who actually watch them see what they do. They put teams through the meat grinder and just beat them down throughout the course of a game. The rotation in the front 7 just wears down opponents because there is no let up in the pass rush and hard tackling.

The biggest part to me was it was a game where everyone knew they needed to lean on him. And he was awful. Hard to forgive that despite all the good things he did.

Seems to me that discipline comes from the coach and the riders have had a discipline problem for years now.

Jones is a contender too. Which I think is noellers point. Lot of standouts on D so far.

What is he supposed to do? He had good coverage and the ball was behind both players. He let up and the receiver had no chance to play that ball. Terrible throw. If faj had an arm he could led the receiver and scored an easy td but his arm sucks and he left it short.

Not pi because the ball was so laughably underthrown.

Yeah well maybe don't show up to a game where a rookie qb needs help hung over.

Imagine this D with Wilson and stove in there? They give up nothing now without 2 real key under the radar players.

Lol no injuries get ******! We have depth. That's the key.

Panel making excuses but riders again didn't do ****. They try field goals we score touchdowns. Bombers don't blow people out they wear them down and pull away late.

I am happy he got a front row seat to his precious riders getting their asses handed to em twice in a row. Eat it Saskatchewan. Go be a 2nd rate team and shut up pretending these lovers are better than they are.

The change of direction and explosiveness he had was just incredible.

Yeah roberts is a but of a forgotten great around the league. It always makes you wonder what the guy might have been if he gave a **** at all about being professional.