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4 minutes ago, Booch said:
yeah he did...but Thorpe still offers more on offence and potentially ST's than Lankford does...that's the issue.
Imagine having Harris, Flanders and Thorpe in certain sets...If the defense is trying to key on one of Flanders or Harris then most likely Thorpe is going to be isolated on one guy and we all know what he can do with yac and making guys miss, or just breaking a tackle...now imagine him one on one and breaking free in an open filed and not contending with the extra guy or two who are pre-occupied with Harris/Flander... instead of Lankford out there who cant play a part in that scheme and is usually just taking a corner out of the fraccass down a sideline
I would love to see more twin back sets with those 2. I like Harris, but I actually think I am a bigger fan of Flanders.
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2 minutes ago, SPuDS said:
see, this is the cool thing about the internet. we can be whatever we wanna be, lol.
Well, the league is investigating it upon the club complaining apparently, so when they come back with a slap to the Riders I will be more than happy to say I was wrong. I am guessing nobody else will do the same if they come back empty though. I am not sorry that I do my best to keep the blue tinted goggles a bit thin and try to look at things in an unbiased fashion.
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3 minutes ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said:
For those who have not picked up on the clues, Flanders replaced Thorpe at SB not Lankford.
Yes, and this move would potentially work in a shuffle to get Thorpe back in. It would take more than one move, but the point being that Lankford is receiver depth and if they remove him as KR then they likely find a spot for someone else. Meanwhile, if you bring a DB in for KR then you probably remove a depth DB.
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4 hours ago, Nolby said:
Looking at their remaining schedule, the two games I think they lose are both in Alberta. We're still better than Bc, Ottawa and Toronto. I'm calling for 11-7 or 12-6.
I actually think the Calgary game will be a W. I am not entirely sure they can beat the Stamps straight up (definitely possible) but I think the Stamps will have 1st locked up by then, and it is the last game of the season.
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5 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:
Oh FFS, he's a rider troll. Stop feeding the troll. His name is even derived from that garry guy on Rf that got banned.
I am a 17 year season ticket holder for the Bombers. You?
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Just now, StevetheClub said:
It doesn't "magically" qualify as different. It qualifies as different because it was after the teams had made their way to the line. That's an important difference. As Doug Brown wrote, for years players have taken a knee, particularly after turnovers when the unit that was on the field would have to come right back on. Not after the teams were already on the line. And, as Brown also pointed out, there were at least 3 instances of "cramps".
Brown was mistaken. There were 2 instances where a player went down during tempo, but don't take my word for it, look yourself:
https://www.cfl.ca/games/2413/winnipeg-blue-bombers-vs-saskatchewan-roughriders/#playbyplay
(09:56) M. NICHOLS Completed Pass to C. DENMARK, caught at S54 (19 yds, 16 YAC), Pushed Out of Bounds by M. EDEM, E. STEELE injured on the play (1st Q and not in Tempo)
(09:09) J. BARTEL Punt (39 yds), Returned by K. FOGG from S52 (6 yds, 0 credited), Penalty: No Yards, 15 yds called on Saskatchewan (K. FRANCIS) (15 yds.) - Enforced From S52, M. EDEM injured on the play (2nd Q, and actually on a punt, not while they were on D. Very possibly fake, as that is pretty standard on a turnover of this nature).
(01:58) M. NICHOLS Completed Pass to A. HARRIS, caught at W49 (14 yds, 10 YAC), Tackle: E. DARGAN, M. HENRY injured on the play (2nd Q and in Tempo)
(09:09) M. NICHOLS Completed Pass to W. DRESSLER, caught at S15 (7 yds, 2 YAC), Tackle: E. GAINEY, E. MRABURE-AJUFO injured on the play (4th Q and in Tempo)
so that is 2 times.
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Just now, SPuDS said:
isnt that exactly what you said he doesn't do? pushes it to the edge? Well if he clears the play with the officials and its clearly legal.. how is that.. "pushing boundries"??
He cleared one play. "yay"
Sorry man, I really like O'shea as a coach and he is the type of coach that I want, but his hands are far from clean as both a player and a coach.
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Just now, SPuDS said:
except he doesn't. he actually makes sure what he is doing is on the up and up and doesn't just assume or hope that its ok. He does things the correct way unlike some other coaches in the league.
Because he asked the refs about a sleeper play? Alrighty.
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28 minutes ago, Booch said:
wonder why bringing Walker back?...Tho I think he is a return guy too tho no?.
Yeah, I am thinking that this is a potential move to bring Lankford out of the lineup and make some room to dress a different receive (Ie Thorpe)
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5 hours ago, 17to85 said:
It was pretty consistent in the game though. I mean it's not a huge game changing thing but it shows the kind of class that Riders team has. Guess that's why clowns like Duron Carter fit in with that team.
2 "potential" fake injuries (and I stress potential because I believe at least one of them was real) with one in each half is is consistent? That seems like a pretty silly statement.
But lets even say it is true, which I am still not sold on, one of the things that I love about O'shea is that he pushes the boundaries of rules (even the TSN panel of all people recognize that), so it would be tough to say he wouldn't do the same. Players have been taking a conveniently timed knee for a change of pace for as long as football has been around and doing it on a steady basis, so I don't see how this would magically qualify as different. It really just sounds like some people are sucking on some sour grapes here, but to each their own.
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I just don't bye into the hysteria on this one. Don't get me wrong, Tempo is a great tool, and Lapo has used it well, and I like to see it pay dividend as it has for much of the season, but rewatching, I think I noticed 3 Riders go down on D, and I believe 2 of those were during Tempo. The one was someone with a cramp. Was that real? No idea, but it does happen. Could have been fake, but he did look to be in some discomfort. The second was the one with the guy with the broken arm (Mrabure??). I noticed he made a big hit the play before and he seemed to have pain when he went into his stance on the line. Fake? Could be, but considering the hit and broken arm it is hard to say. He looked pretty good during it and was laughing, but I have laughed when I hurt myself as well. Ok, so maybe one of those 2 was faked. Even if so, I am not going to sweat this. If it was occurring with any consistency I would be up in arms.
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1 hour ago, Blue in the loops said:
I will go 10-8
only 3 more wins?
I think they will win at lease 4 down the stretch, and as many as 6. I will go with 11-7 so as there is room for a pleasant surprise
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23 hours ago, Blueandgold said:
For all the dooms day talk over here, the Riders scored exactly 3 points in the second half.
Our D actually played really well, most of our wounds were self inflicted by the Offence.
Did the D play good, or did the riders play 'don't make the big mistake' in the second half? Hard to truly evaluate things in what was essentially extended garbage time. I think the D was better, but I also feel they changed modes, so I go with combination. If the Bombers had the same lead, I expect we would have seen similar happen. These head to heads if you get a chance to not show everything, you don't.
Barring one freak run the riders run game was really bad, that is a huge plus to repeat.
Harris needs to have more success up the gut so as to open up the passing game over the middle. The riders are playing a very aggressive D style with a lot of press coverage, so those outside passes are going to have limited success. Need to combat that with slants/posts, and in order to open that up you need to have success on the ground up the middle. I think that will be the biggest change, especially if that James fellow is not playing, because he was pretty swallowing in there. Read on hear that he was on crutches. Hate to see a player hurt, but it likely improves those runs.
On D, I am not a fan of Hall. I don't mind the play of the front 7 for the most part, but the secondary strategy leaves a lot to be desired. Bombers have the number one O, and that is great, but they need it because the secondary sucks. Only Hamilton gives up more points or yards. I love a team that can score, and I love shootouts, but it is hard to ride that game in and game out long term. Some of that was masked because we were seeing turnovers, but that seems to have dropped off. The riders seemed to stray from their quick hitter game a fair bit, and I am expecting to see more of a return to that this week. Need to stay aggressive and jump one of those and take it to the house.
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2 minutes ago, tracker said:
The Esks have legitimate injury excuses for their plummet, Toronto- not so much. They're just plain bad.
Totally agree, but in the here and now, even with the Esks injuries, I believe they are better than the Redblacks. Splitting hairs I guess.
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1 hour ago, Bigblue204 said:
Sorry, but claiming that because something has been around a long time, therefore it's justified is lame. Just rider fans trying to excuse poor sportsmanship. You're right that it's not the main reason the bombers lost. It certainly played a role though.
Either way, its not something im ever going to coach a kid to do. And i would 100% pull my child from a team that thought this was a legit strategy. The fact that grown men do it (its been a long time since a team has done it to the extent the riders did) is honestly embarrassing, for them personally as well as the league.
I can understand doing it one time to help restructure things, but multiple times...ive never been in a situation in my sporting life (all amatuer) were that would be a legit strategy.
Im not even sure how/if you fix the rule. Its basically what pro sports has become, do whatever you can to win. Im being 100% honest. Bombers pull that stunt multiple times in a game, id be disgusted win or lose.
Rider fans obviously feel a bit more ok with it as the game went their way. However there's not a chance any of them can say its a good way to play any sport. At any level. "I faked an injury so we could win a game" multiple players from the 2017 riders can say that about the LDC. I honestly feel sorry for those "men".
Well, we had a few players go out for 3 when the riders had momentum, and they looked just fine as well. Both sides were doing this. If you don't want your kid doing this, that is admirable and all, but if they ever move beyond HS ball and they refuse they will be gone. It is part of the game and always has been.
Anyways, the big positive from the game was that the rider run game was essentially nothing aside from one run. Bombers didn't get a pile going either, but it sounds like James might be out, so that is going to help running up the gut. Need to have some level of success there to open up the slants/posts instead of having to attack the edges so much. Those gut runs are a huge part of opening up Lapo's playbook. Get that going and things will be a lot better. On D, not sure what to say. Not a huge fan of how Hall runs things, and the story of the season has not been stopping the opponent, but simply scoring more.
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15 hours ago, Goalie said:
Its cuz you are a rider fan. I actually dont see the big deal either.. I just think its bullshit and embarassing and honestly im not sure many bomber fans are actually that upset over it... I mean... Whatever... Its classless and bush league and just embarassing but nobody has really said its illegal.. It probably should be but... Most posts i see tend to mention how classless embarassing bush league it is..
And it certainly is that. What goes around comes around tho.
I simply choose not to wear my goggles as thick of a blue filter as some and try to look at things a little less bias. I watched what the TSN Panel had to say one this, and I 100% agree with them.
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1 hour ago, SPuDS said:
of course security is going to remove a fan that a player alleges spit on him, even if it never happened. they ain't going to take the word of a bomber fan over a rider player.. come on. that isn't proof of this.
I have a hard time believing a player would involve security during a game when they know the camera is on them. Carter is a ****** but he is not that stupid. Perhaps it never happened, but I tend to believe it did. Every fan base has a percentage of idiots, and it is a shame those few paint us good ones bad.
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Tough to argue them really, except I am not sure Ottawa should have been raised to 4th. I know they have won 3 in a row, but they played 2 teams that are just plain bad, and BC during a huge slide. Not sure how they get above the Eskimos when they have lost to them 2 times, even if the Eskimos have hit a bit of a wall.
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1 hour ago, bustamente said:
Best scenario for me would be the Bombers up by 17 in the 4th quarter of the Banjo Bowl, the Riders go to a hurry up offence and all the Bombers on D dropped on the ground grabbing their legs
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Sorry, but I really don't get the angst on taking a knee / feigning injury. This has been a tactic used in football to slow up the opponent for as long as I can recall. Frustrating? sure, but hardly something new. I am honestly not too sure I can recall a game that this didn't happen, and that goes beyond the CFL. After a big play, long run on a pick or return, or simply to readjust either an O or a D when the other side is in sync, this has been around forever.
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16 minutes ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said:
Apparently James their new DT was on crutches today.
That should help the run game. He seemed to be fairly controlling in there and slowed down the inside game considerably.
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46 minutes ago, rebusrankin said:
Marshall out, Lafrance to start. I'm curious if Campbell and Labatte are out on the oline.
yeah, they accomplished very little on the ground if you were to take the one bust out of the equation. I mean that was a big play, but that bust aside I think their longest run was maybe 6 or 7 yards with an average of maybe 2 or 3.
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On 9/4/2017 at 4:18 PM, Rod Black said:
There are 50 security cams in that building. Must be 300 cellphones within 50 feet. He claims to be close enough to see his teeth. Sounds familiar.
Anyone that believes carter was spit on, would then have to believe he's a thug, as he admitted in the subsequent tweet. Carter can't have it both ways.
#weirdvictimthing #legcramps #riderliars #thugslie
No Carter fan here, but apparently security went over there right after as Carter had talked to them. There are classless fans everywhere. Bombers had some last week, and I am sure the Riders will have some when they visit this week. It is the unfortunate consequence of over indulgence, which is only heightened in games like LD and the rematch. It shouldn't paint a full fanbase and looking at Carter's twitter early he essentially says the same at some point. Unfortunate that this stuff happens, but it always well.
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On 9/4/2017 at 8:10 AM, deepsixemtoboyd said:
What happened yesterday can hardly be considered surprising on any front. I have been a Bomber fan since the late 70s, and even when we have had dominant teams and the riders have been abysmal – see the entire decade of the 80's - we have tended to lose and even get smoked on Labour Day.
That said, I will repeat the obvious, stated here and elsewhere by many posters, for my own self–cathartic reasons: We have a strong, steady, though non-explosive offense. That offense has and will continue to put up points though isn't a group that will ever strike a deep fear in the hearts of defenses. They are more a get it done/lunchbucket crew. And, as such, they are good enough: good enough to make the playoffs, and possibly push into them, even win the big prize.
If...
If they were supported by a even average defense. Which they are not.
Our defense frequently has inadequate pressure/push, a linebacking corps which is 2/3 inadequate, and a porous bend and break secondary. I believe we have given up an average of approximately 30 points per game. And that, folks, just ain't gonna get it done.
It is simply unrealistic to expect our steady but unspectacular offence to bail out a weak defence every week. So, going into the LDC – an extremely hostile environment – it really was asking a lot to get another Houdini moment.
Finally, until the blue bombers acknowledge the core problem on defence – and I don't know whether it is schemes or personnel or both – this team will not be a serious contender to end the longest championship drought in blue bombers history.
Yeah, I remember 7117. I mean it was a 7-1 team against a 1-7 team, so if there was ever a time to walk away with a win it was was pretty crushing (though not as bad as the next year's). The game and its rematch are intense, and records seem to mean very little going into them each time.
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Bombers have given up 40 big plays. The next closest is Hamilton at 30. The high powered O we see is fantastic and all, but the D is just horrendous. Meanwhile, we have had 23 big plays, only Toronto and Hamilton have less (which is actually surprising and shows that this is a methodical O). To break it downs some.....
Big plays surrendered per game:
Big runs surrendered per game:
Big passes surrendered per game:
Note that I am not going to do a breakdown of the special teams rate per game because it is just embarrassing and shocking how bad it stacks up to the rest of the league (we need a new ST coordinator perhaps even worse than a new DC)
The Hall bend but don't break, but actually break D is frustrating to no end. When the turnovers were rolling in it masked it a bit, but right now those are not coming.