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Should have challenged

Couldn't est any run game. Dropped TD's from McRae and Schoen. Brady fumble. Collaros and Woli combine to create pick six. Then totes (as the kids say - or said?) collapse MULTIPLE times by the D. Yikes. Wow. Wowza. Holy crow.

I am speechless. Or close... I will say found it weird (at the time) decision for O’Shea to run the ball on 2nd and 7 giving them the ball with 1:24 on clock. Looks like terrible judgment now. Also, after the game... Doug Brown had the temerity to suggest the loss was deflating. O'Shea's response? “It’s NOT deflating! I don't think anyone’s ‘deflated’”…with tone. This is what drives me nuts about coach. Love him for the two cups but, yikes, not deflating? Please...don't insult fans' intelligence.

Punt hit white sideline stripe about a yard out before it hit cone.

Don’t necessarily disagree with the decision. I am simply acknowledging that he showed potential and that, as such, we may come to regret this. I don’t think those are incompatible sentiments… ie. It may both make sense at this time and ultimately also prove to have been a bit shortsighted. I am also disagreeing that he had his chance in real game conditions and “blew it”. He didn’t see the field enough IMO to Definitively “blow it”. Again, can’t disagree with MOS cuz I don’t know the backstory and can see where they like Prukop.

Bit harsh, no? Didn’t he get a grand total of 2 plays? Given what he showed in the preseason I gotta assume there’s other stuff going into this decision. Regardless, I share the sense of loss given the potential I witnessed at both games I saw him play.

If memory serves, the Canadian mafia have never been a big “recruit the NFL cuts” regime. They tend much more to be, “we like the roster we have” Regarding Liegghio, how can we be surprised? The only thing surprising is how many heavily defended him last year even through the debacle of the playoffs and especially the putridity – is that a word? – of his grey cup performance. I mean we know that O’Shea has a defend/deny/deflect strategy with the media but that doesn’t mean the rest of us have to buy it. When they recruited Medlock and brought in Castillo in ‘21 the blue brass seem to recognize the critical nature of controlling those variables that are within your control – i.e. ensuring you have a reliable kicker. There is no championship team without one. That was what was so weird about their “strategy” last year. I have no problem with coach’s strategy of bs’ing with the media as long as behind the scenes he recognizes there’s a problem and deals with it. But that’s not what happened last year. but now Legs is gone and I, for one, breathe a sigh of relief.

All of this is of course true. The offense sucked in almost every possible way except for Brady Oliveira. But it is a bit comical to not acknowledge that our kicker made a major contribution to the loss as well. It is not an either or equation. Yes, we didn’t really deserve to win yesterday because of our all-around play on offense. And it is also true that one of the things a team can do to give itself the best chance of success is ensure they have a reliable kicker. Championship teams have this. This was true for Blue in 2019 and 2021. It was not true, however, throughout the 2022 season, and yesterday it definitely bit us in the ass.

I guess what I’m still trying to understand is why there is any need for this rule as outlined above? Why not play it like any punt (except for the fact you can strategically punt ball out)? Seems straightforward enough. If the ball goes out of bounds on its own it’s an illegal kick off. But if the ball remains in the field of play, no matter how close to the sidelines is without going out, the receiving player must play the ball. Or risk of being recovered by the other team. At the very least the rule as it is written seems directly at odds with the illegal participation rule. It is confusing at best. That said, the bombers did not protest in any way (special teams coach look depressed rather than outraged) so they must’ve known that is the rule.

What the f is Suitor talking about?

Very good to see Brown

This is some good research. I remember that game well. The only thing that remember differently is that Burke did not trust Palardy's field goal kicking so - instead of attempting the 42 yard field goal - sent the punter out (Renaud?) to try to pin the Riders deep (i.e. in fairness to Burke, he was not trying for the extra point, but trying for the field position to make Willy march the full length). Then Renaud did not execute the plan and kicked in through, giving the Riders the ball on the 35 (much more doable to get into field goal range). After the game what was maybe most memorable to me was that Burke threw Renaud under the bus publicly.

Well, I don't know if it's a matter of hate. O'Shea moved on from Hajrullahu, not because anyone hated him, but because the coach determined - in H's second year - that he had not been good enough. His rookie year (2014), was outstanding, which is what bought him so much leash the next year. What's a bit mystifying to me is, at that time, the Blue went out and got Medlock despite H's potential because coach said that the position was simply too critical to experiment with for any length of time. But here we are...

Castillo 5 for 5 in Grey Cup.

I am old enough to remember Kennerd. He was good before he got shaky. So different situation IMO. Leggs has been shaky the whole way. Totally looks overwhelmed/nervous/about to caca the pants every time he steps out, esp for the "must haves". I have zero confidence in him. He HAS rounded into form as an excellent punter, so agree there. K, that's a sweet burn. I might be guilty as charged. 😀

Truth.

Agreed. Clean goal. How many f%#@-ing times can one team lose in the last 2 min of a game in one season? They can be very infuriating to watch. Very good road game. Very good third period, in particular, only to do that... again. Seriously, does anyone know how many gane winning goals we've given up in the last 2-3 min of a game this year? It's gutting. That said, ur right. gotta score more than one. A lot of chances to pot the winner in the 3rd and just can't finish. But Connor... by jeezuz... get the puck out or get off if ur too tired.

It absolutely hit the turf, no question. Absolutely bs, chickens__t response by the command centre. Like, ridiculous turtling. Can u imagine if the rider had gone on to score. it's that kinda call, unfortunately that can make the cfl look a bit bush.

Do you really imagine that that will ever happen with MOS?

I sure do agree with most of this. Esp the first part in bold above, 'cept I'd put it even stronger: i.e. If Buff decides he want to play again I am shopping him hard. Whatever the elixir, the team chemistry and work ethic this year has been notably stronger than last, and Buff was a big part of last year (and the 7 before that). Don't get me wrong: there's something very likeable about Buff, beyond his huge presence, shot, and undeniable skills. In some ways, he has a winning personality too. That said, he has often taken large chunks of the reg season off, with a penchant to float during the unsexy, "doing-the-laundry" parts of the year. I have noticed, in the past - albeit just eye test - that when Buff is injured during the regular season the Jets overall team defence seems to improve. I think if you go back to their reg season record without Buff we'd find the Jets actually do pretty good (often better?) without him. Happy be be corrected with actual numbers, as admittedly that's just my gut sense of it. In the playoffs? Different story. There, he shows up. Usually big time. BUT...at 34 years of age, he just aint gonna be getting better and - when coupled with whatever the H-E double hockey-sticks has being going on with him since training camp walk out PLUS the fact that the Jets are doing fine without him...well, to me it becomes a no-brainer. I do NOT want him back on this team at this point. And, if I'm Chevy, I'm moving him for a regular contributor plus prospects. Do not agree with the second bolded part above, though: i.e. def NOT moving Wheeler. He is still the heart beat of the leadership group and - since Little went down again - has absolutely demonstrated his versatility and value, driving the second line. Hell, 2 games ago against Big D, he went something like 85% or 89% in the face-off circle and is also an iron-man type. Nope, hang on to Wheeler for this year, esp if we are looking like a playoff team, which we are. The rest I agree with. Thx.

Here's exactly what you said: "...(Lapo's) gadget play direct snap to Demski killed our momentum... Collaros ability to survive pocket pressure while Lapo’s plays develop is what saved us.., that and Harris in beast mode and getting 5 Yards after being tackled." So, your words clearly present or strongly imply the following arguments: 1) That Lapo is to blame for "killing our momentum" because he called a direct snap to Demski. 2) That "Lapo's plays" are too slow to develop and that it is only "Collaros' ability to survive pocket pressure" that "saved us" (i.e. saved us from what? - well, you make it clear: from the slowness of Lapo's plays to develop). As such, you clearly imply that Collaros should get the credit for the success of those plays and that they occurred in spite of Lapo's incompetence, not because of any competence he may bring. 3) That Harris being "in beast mode" and breaking tackles is also what "saved us" (i.e. saved us from what? - from Lapo's play calling. Again, you make the link clear from your inclusion of the phrase "that and". Ergo, again, Harris gets credit for successful long runs in spite of Lapo in your world). Finally, your argument that I am "taking this a little personally" is particularly hilarious inasmuch as I presented a clear rationale critiquing your logic (and decidedly not you, personally, in any way). It was you, ironically, who turned it personal by telling me I was "taking this a little personally" and that I should "relax." I have a better idea than me "relaxing" (I'm smiling as I write this so I'm pretty chill, man): Why don't you either explain your logic and clearly illustrate what I was missing about your original post or - using a rational argument of your own - actually refute what I have written in my response post rather that turning to Ad hominen before - again, hilariously - accusing me of the same. Enjoy the victory, man. On that we can agree, I hope.

So, your team has just won the championship. And you want to fire members if its coaching staff? This is unorthodox thinking.

So, let me get this straight: when the offense succeeds it’s because of Collaros and Harris and how skilled they are, no credit to our offensive coordinator whatsoever. But when the offense struggles in any way whatsoever, now THAT has nothing to do with players or their execution but is instead 100% on the OC and his schemes and calls? Your reasoning, as presented, is a classic illustration of a phenomenon called fundamental attribution error or confirmation bias. Look it up… It’s a real thing. And you are in its grip.

This. 100% bang-on post. Thank you!

So, I guess the answer is no, then? As in you won’t shut up about Lapo, even for a week? And you are rejecting my modest proposal for peace during this celebration? ps. Didn’t ask you to apologize, BTW. I just asked you to park it for a week. 😀