I love mysteries and cospiracy theories and this disappearing jet is consuming me.

 

Ill propose two theories (a mainstream one and a crazy one).

 

What I think happened is:

 

A catastrophic mechanical failure.  It's an incredible coincedence that this occured at the exact moment of hand off between the two air traffic control points.  This failure impacted communications and caused a loss of pressure.  This would seem to indicate a fire and/or explosion.

 

The pilot did exactly what he would do - he turned towards an area he knew had an airport he could land at.  And he immediately dropped altitude to account for the lack of cabin pressure.  (alternately, if there was a fire but no cabin breach, its possible the pilot would drop altitude with the idea he could vent the smoke). 

 

As the plane flew along, the pilots were unable to communicate due to the failure and were eventually overcome by either smoke or hypoxia.  Another plane contacted MH370 to request they contact the Vietnam air traffic control aprox. ten minutes after the transponder signal was lost and received a reply that sounded like mumbling and static (indicating to me the pilots were suffering injury or hypoxia). The plane continued to fly as a "ghost plane" until running out of fuel and crashing in the Indian Ocean.

 

 

My wild theory:

 

"Something" happened involving the pilots.  I generally reject the hijacking scenario because to take a plane without any communication from the pilots would mean it happened very, very quickly and I dont see that happening in this day and age with cockpit security etc.  We do know these pilots were prone to having "guests" in the cockpit but for a hijacker to board the plane with that intent, he's hoping that the Pilots leave the cockpit unsecure and thats just a big chance to take for a hijacker.

 

That would indicate the pilot was in on whatever happened.  The points in favour of this being an intentional act:

 

- The incredible timing of this happening at the moment after the pilots sign off from one air traffic control location and right before communicating with the next.  This creates a scenario where both control areas assume the plane is talking to the other (apparently it does happen that a pilot 'forgets' to check in when he's supposed to)

 

- The transponder was turned off.  Either a mechanical failure did this or the pilot did it. 

 

- The plane apparently travelled a flightpath that indicated intelligent control for sometime after loss of contact

 

- The plan flew in a manner to avoid radar and skirt between countries (this is important if you're trying to avoid being shot down or persued because if you're very close to a boarder and clearly a passenger jet, you might be forgiven for crossing into airspace if one country assumes you're from the other)

 

- The has been zero debris.  One could argue that area of the Indian Ocean could easily carry debris away quickly.  But the fact they have seen so much junk and debris *not* connected to MH370 indicates that this area of the Ocean would be ideal for collecting debris and if the plane crashed *something* would be found.

 

- If the plane is in the Indian Ocean, the lack of debris is indicative of a controlled ditching.  Its virtually impossible (it would be a miracle) for the plane to ditch in one piece on it's own after running out of fuel.  Pilots are trained for ocean ditching (how to time the ocean swells etc) and the plane was designed to be able to ditch.  Even with training, its very difficult to successfully ditch in the Ocean without crashing.  If the plane ditched successfully, it *had* to be done by the pilots.  If so, why was no communication attempted?  Why did no one escape in life rafts?  If its a controlled ditch, that would explain the lack of debris (ie. the plan sunk and is sitting on the bottom of the ocean in one piece).

 

- The co-pilots cell phone attempted to connect to a cell tower around the time of last contact.  Was he trying to communicate due to a failure destroying on-board communications?  Was he trying to report a hi-jacking?  Was the attempt by the cell phone to make contact simply the result of a phone being left on and repeatedly seaching for a cell signal on it's own?  We know cells are not allowed to be on in the cockpit but we also know these pilots have broken cockpit rules before (and could simply have forgotten).

 

- The so-called "Pings" that were heard.  None of the emergency locators seemed to function.  There are 4 of them that are supposed to send a signal upon impact or water contact.  However, they are not shielded and a particularly catastrophic crash could destroy them before they sent a signal.  They are also not able to function under water and could have been destroyed by water before being able to send a signal (the 4 on the Air France flight also did not function).  The Chinese indicated they heard a Ping.  This story was later burried and apparently, the Chinese actually heard themselves.  The two pings that were heard were reportedly 200-300 miles apart.  This indicates a massive crash with debris spread about which belies the fact there has been no debris.  The coincedence of these Pings is that it occured just as the life of the batteries was winding down and then stopped (which is the perfect "clue" if you're trying to convince the world the plane is in the Indian Ocean).

 

- The fact NO military seems to have picked up this plane on radar is puzzling and alarming.  If the plane suffered a mechanical failure and was a "ghost plane", how could it avoid radar contact?  If the flight was intelligently operated with the intent to avoid radar, how is this still possible?  It wasnt a stealth bomber.

 

- 20+ people on board were future-tech weapons designers for an American firm that had recently completed a project.

 

- One passenger reportedly sent a photo and text message a day after the plane went missing stating the plane had been hijacked by military and that he was being held captive on Diego Garcia, a US military base in the area.

 

EDITED to add:

 

- The Malaysian government told the Chinese they had communication between the pilots and Air Traffic Control that would never be allowed to go public.  A week later, they released a transcript that showed nothing unusual.  What are they hiding?  Their preliminary report to the UN was sealed when no reports of that nature are ever sealed from the public.

 

- If the plane was hijacked or taken for a ride by the pilots, why did none of the passengers call or message family?  This lends credence to the massive mechnical failure likelyhood.  I saw a cool story on CNN that showed it was possible to retrieve cell phone information after it had been under water for a period of time.  This is important because if something happened on board and passengers were able to take pics/video or try to send messages but didnt have a signal, that information would be stored on their phones and could be retrieved later.

 

Where the heck is MH370?

Morons think that.

(CNN)Nearly two months after debris from the vanished Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 washed up on Reunion Island, a large object reportedly floating off the island has piqued the interest of French officials there.

 

An Air France pilot reported seeing "a white object" floating in the Indian Ocean on Tuesday morning about 70 kilometers (43 miles) northwest of the French island, said Siva Vadivelou, assistant director of the French Civil Aviation Authority on Reunion.

 

The Air France flight was at an altitude of 3,000 meters, or about 9,800 feet, the office of the island's prefect said. Because of the altitude, "it must be a voluminous object for the pilot to see it," Vadivelou said.

 

Authorities diverted a merchant ship to the area, but nothing was immediately found, according to the prefect's office. Reunion authorities have asked the French military to search the area Tuesday afternoon, the prefect's office said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/ap-interview-man-finds-possible-malaysian-plane-debris/2016/03/03/59cc3424-e12c-11e5-8c00-8aa03741dced_story.html

Interesting.  It makes sense if the plane went down where they think it did.  Seems unfortunate that they haven't found it yet.  It will literally be in the last place they look.  Hopefully they do locate it and hopefully much of it is intact (or there is a debris field they can investigate).

there is an anon video about this particular crash and they make some very compelling arguments to suggest that foul play was involved in this catastrophe..  I'm not normally one to jump to conclusions on any conspiracy theories but this one really made me sit up and take notice.

 

have a watch.

 

 

5 minutes ago, SPuDS said:

there is an anon video about this particular crash and they make some very compelling arguments to suggest that foul play was involved in this catastrophe..  I'm not normally one to jump to conclusions on any conspiracy theories but this one really made me sit up and take notice.

 

have a watch.

 

 

Tough to listen to with the stupid music and computer voice.  But if I understand it correctly, the plane was crashed to kill a bunch of the top executives of a company who shared an important and valuable patent with one dude.  And the technology they were developing could hide aircraft from radar detection.  Im not sure im following that part.  They used the technology to hide the airplane but with the intent to crash it and kill everyone anyway.  Im not sure why they'd need to use the technology or how they would remotely.  And if they were going to crash it anyway, why bother?  Unless they wanted to hide evidence of the crash.  But still, they have to think there is a chance of the plane being eventually discovered.

I think it could be a malicious act but more likely by a rogue pilot.  A more likely scenario is a massive failure that caused the incapacitation of the crew and passengers.  ofcourse the lingering question is that the plane seemed to make course corrections consistent with avoiding radar.

I took from it that Rothschild (owner of freescale semi-conductors) wanted full patent rights (and to keep it out of the hands of china/north korea/russia for a little while at least) and the wack of cash that would come with it.

 

it just seems really suspect to me that 4 out of 5 patent holders are on the plane, as well as a bunch of engineers involved with the creation of this revolutionary semi conductor would all be on the same flight, same day, etc etc and have it crash..

 

leaving rothschild the sole owner and proprietor of this new tech. 

and well, we all know how many things the rothschild empire has been linked to in the last decade..

 

*shrug* something that made me go hmm..

I've been reading a bit about conspiracies because I keep getting pulled into this stupid debate with a friend who watches all the so-called 9/11 truther videos.  What happens is, someone wants to believe a conspiracy so they take coincidences and acceptably unexplained things and creates a new narrative that is wildly unlikely.  What is most likely is most likely.  Not always, but most of the time.

The idea that all these patent holders and developers were on the same flight sounds crazy until you consider they were all together for a major meeting or whatever it was.  I went to Jamaica last year for a wedding and there were 40+ of us in the wedding party, many who worked for the same company.  If the plane went down it would seem like a strange occurrence until you consider the reason we were all together.

The one fact that hasnt received much attention is that another aircraft tried contacting the plane and received back a transmission that sounded like rushing air and moaning.  On one hand, a grand conspiracy would answer every question.  On the other, a massive technical failure would too.  Which is more likely?

On 3/4/2016 at 1:32 PM, The Unknown Poster said:

I've been reading a bit about conspiracies because I keep getting pulled into this stupid debate with a friend who watches all the so-called 9/11 truther videos.  What happens is, someone wants to believe a conspiracy so they take coincidences and acceptably unexplained things and creates a new narrative that is wildly unlikely.  What is most likely is most likely.  Not always, but most of the time.

The idea that all these patent holders and developers were on the same flight sounds crazy until you consider they were all together for a major meeting or whatever it was.  I went to Jamaica last year for a wedding and there were 40+ of us in the wedding party, many who worked for the same company.  If the plane went down it would seem like a strange occurrence until you consider the reason we were all together.

The one fact that hasnt received much attention is that another aircraft tried contacting the plane and received back a transmission that sounded like rushing air and moaning.  On one hand, a grand conspiracy would answer every question.  On the other, a massive technical failure would too.  Which is more likely?

I hadn't heard that part in my readings.. If true then an explosive decompression sounds likely. 

Sorry not rushing air

        The captain of another aircraft attempted to reach the crew of Flight 370 "just after [01:30]"^[52]using the international distress frequency to relay Vietnamese air traffic control's request for the crew to contact them; the captain said he was able to establish contact, but only heard "mumbling" and static.^[

1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Sorry not rushing air

        The captain of another aircraft attempted to reach the crew of Flight 370 "just after [01:30]"^[52]using the international distress frequency to relay Vietnamese air traffic control's request for the crew to contact them; the captain said he was able to establish contact, but only heard "mumbling" and static.^[

This does not seem to be well known. Wonder why.

It's very odd. It's on wiki and I've seen it in other places but it never gets mentioned by most media. 

i think there was a malfunction that resulted on either explosive decompression or slow asphyxiation.  Probably explosive. It knocked out several systems. Pilots tried to turn back to another airport and began losing  consciousness .  Plane few on auto pilot until crashing. 

Tjere are questions and oddities ofcourse. But can likely be explained by coincednces and acceptable abnormalities. 

This probably has nothing to do with the topic you guys are discussing but one of my favorite programs is Mayday, which is a Canadian produced documentary series that investigates air crashes and is shown on the National Geographic Channel every so often.  Very interesting that 95% of air disasters can be attributed to human error somewhere along the line, either before or during the flight.  In the near future I expect that we will see a fully qualified pilot on standby but not at the controls, computers don't need oxygen to function, don't become suicidal and seldom lose track of where the ground is.

Edited March 6, 20169 yr by Throw Long Bannatyne

4 hours ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

This probably has nothing to do with the topic you guys are discussing but one of my favorite programs is Mayday, which is a Canadian produced documentary series that investigates air crashes and is shown on the National Geographic Channel every so often.  Very interesting that 95% of air disasters can be attributed to human error somewhere along the line, either before or during the flight.  In the near future I expect that we will see a fully qualified pilot on standby but not at the controls, computers don't need oxygen to function, don't become suicidal and seldom forget where the ground is.

Love this show! Here's a tip, Mayday also goes by the name Air Crash Investigation.  Different episodes. 

I've watched mayday so much I think I could fly a plane. Watching the Air France one I was screaming at the tv that it was stalling!  

I Always joke that if the flight attendant ever came around and asked if there was a pilot on board Id raise my hands and say no but i watch mayday. 

3 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Love this show! Here's a tip, Mayday also goes by the name Air Crash Investigation.  Different episodes. 

I've watched mayday so much I think I could fly a plane. Watching the Air France one I was screaming at the tv that it was stalling!  

I Always joke that if the flight attendant ever came around and asked if there was a pilot on board Id raise my hands and say no but i watch mayday. 

That knowledge may help you better understand "why you're going to die" as you fall from the skies, but it's not likely to prevent it.  The episode featuring the death of John Kennedy Jr. should be mandatory viewing for any small airplane pilot.

It's actually helped me be more relaxed flying. Because planes are built to take just about anything and even when there is trouble its not that easy to crash. 

also made me more aware of importance to evacuate and things like that. Id be the guy opening the emergency doors and deploying the chute. 

one time flying to vegas I was pretty nervous. Hadn't flown in awhile. A little old lady walked up to the attendant and asked where the bathroom was. She sort of pointed towards it and the old lady turned and with both hands reached for the lever controlling the main entrance door of the plane. I nearly did a triple front flip, ninja style out of my seat and tackled her. 

9 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Love this show! Here's a tip, Mayday also goes by the name Air Crash Investigation.  Different episodes. 

I've watched mayday so much I think I could fly a plane. Watching the Air France one I was screaming at the tv that it was stalling! 

Think I've run out of fingers counting the number of times a plane stalls on that show and they pull back on the stick.

Edited March 6, 20169 yr by FrostyWinnipeg

9 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

Think I've run out of fingers counting the number of times a plane stalls on that show and they pull back on the stick.

I know right??!!  ****. And watching them go through their checklists while im screaming at the tv "nose down! Nose down!"

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36495617

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/mh370-debris-discovered-off-south-australian-coast-means-missing-planes-wreckage-could-span-10000-km

The most troubling thing in that link:

Without firm clues about the wreck’s location, the search will then end, the ATSB said this week.

That would be awful. A mystery of this magnitude demands to be solved. Cost be damned. 

I was watching a TV show on discovery I think it was and the idea behind it was to search for the lost city of Atlantis and some missing world war 2 planes..

They basically took a camera and ran it on the ocean floor pretty much and eventually once it was all done they simulated draining the ocean. Interesting thing is they didn't find Atlantis but they found a whole lot of missing planes and ships and boats. 

Wonder if that's possible to do with this one. Seems like it might work but I believe the Indian Ocean is way deeper so might be tough. Was interesting. Wish I could remember the name of the show... Draining the Atlantic or something similar.  Was super cool. 

I saw bits of that. They did the same for BErmuda triangle. I think it was shallower water though. 

It took two years to find the plane that crashed off South America and that was with a clear debris field and knowing where it lost contact.  They can't give up over money. That's stupid. The plane is there and if it takes mapping the entire south Atlantic to find it then so be it 

 

How much money is to much tho. It's unfortunate but they won't find it anytime soon if ever. 

Fire up a kickstarter.

7 hours ago, Goalie said:

How much money is to much tho. It's unfortunate but they won't find it anytime soon if ever. 

They kept looking for the air France jet and it paid off. No amount is too much.  Not just for the families but in solving a mystery that could impact other potential lives.