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7 hours ago, Noeller said:
I believe he did actually live here for a brief period and played some high school ball in Canada...
Spent time in cardston alberta but his HS football was played in utah.
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7 hours ago, Mike said:
This is an opinion you've long held, but I don't think it's entirely accurate.
Who are the successful dual-threat quarterbacks in this league right now? One QB rushed for over 400 yards last year and he has no job right now.
Arent really any, aside from depth back ups. League wide every one has a guy who can scramble if needed, but runs to throw. No nealon greens, or kerry josephs.
I love that kind of qb as a back up, but you dont find those guys that make all the throws reliably.
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56 minutes ago, Jpan85 said:
Guys that are classified as Canadians have even less stipulations today. Nobody would bat an eye at his national status now.
wasnt his status some thing like his mother spent a few years in HS north of the border or some thing?
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15 minutes ago, Jpan85 said:
Keith Price started with the Riders.
yep. thats part of why its interesting. Like i said you dont see him dig through other teams qbs very often.
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1 minute ago, Dr. Blue said:
I never said that I thought all great players were great mentors. No I can't say for certain that Ray is a great mentor, but given the success of those who have played behind him I do believe he is a big part of it.
I agree with your assessment that AC was not great with those who have played behind him. He had incredible success for years, and plenty of time to develop someone behind him, but is there one QB who played behind him that had any success in the CFL? You'd figure that Popp, who many believe is one of the best CFL GMs (not me personally), should have been able to find a QB who is just ready to step in.
Guys like Maas, Collaros and Harris have all had success in the CFL and have a common denominator of playing behind Ray. At the same time I don't believe that everyone who plays behind him will be a great QB. I just think he has a possitive influence on their success. I am interested to see what comes of guys like Gale and Kilgore as teams get more film on them.
Cant say how RR is with the young qbs. More then likely thats some thing we will hear about one way or another after his career.
Ac was notoriously cold toward young qbs behind him, danny mac to a lesser extent too. I cant blame a guy like ac who struggled and stayed in the league by the skin of his teeth for several years for not wanting to train his successor. Especially in a situation like his in mtl.
Certainly dont think you can give any credit for maas to RR. They fought for a job for a long time.
Allways interesting to see new qbs who show potential. Mtl has a couple guys waiting in the wings I think could be good after glenn is gone.
Keith price in bc too. Wally knows how to scout qbs. You dont see him dig through other teams QB pile too often. And price was a machine in college.
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1 hour ago, Jpan85 said:
Tony Tiller and he never played here. That was a really good BC secondary otherwise Phillips Marsh Miles
was that him? Huh must have been some one else from that secondary we brought over.
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1 hour ago, Noeller said:
"Tait's Take" today said game time decision....
thx, is the roster due to cfl noon of game day now not day before?
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1 minute ago, Ripper said:
Popp= Taman East
oh how the mighty have fallen xD
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7 minutes ago, Ripper said:
I wouldn't say that, Dressler on IR. Another good outing or two by Nichols and you guys can IR Willy and free up some cash
Maybe, if we move willy for sure. I imagine denmark is making 100k range. If we move willy then we will have some nice money though im not sure there is a big asset to pick up short of hank or some thing.
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48 minutes ago, tracker said:
We have a whack of LBs on hand for some reason, and maybe Knox is the answer at MLB, but Bass still hasn't convinced me he is the answer. We could always use a dominant DE despite Green being given the job. I've given up on waiting for a really, really good young QB prospect.
logan plays mlb here.
51 minutes ago, Ripper said:Muamba won't make it out of camp. You are right about Clime, never realized he had 4 1000 yard seasons. 3 in excess of 1200 to boot. I guess he flew under Cahoons radar, I never noticed him
I think henoc will be on his last shot. Just about any guy whose in a camp can make the team if they put there mind to it on teams 100%. I hope henoc does that. Im tired of all the will he wont he play stuff. I think clime flew under because it was such a gap between his last year and his most productive era. Really shocked though.
29 minutes ago, Ripper said:Born in Utah. He isn't Canadian
QFT
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1 minute ago, Ripper said:
Didn't know that. Now I am interested. He can platoon with Gainer
Half the teams in the league at minimum could use him. Maybe a DT to platoon here would be good for us. Martin will prolly be out of our price range.
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10 minutes ago, Ripper said:
You guys don't need him, are pretty well set up at tackle. Us however could use someone. I think we may be looking at gainer at DT this week. At least he is a ratio buster. We'll probably get another call from the league because he has no pants on.
Idk our dt play hasnt been good this year. we have talent but it hasnt lived up to their previous play.
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Just now, tracker said:
We still need a burner receiver and a solid MLB. We might have these on hand but who knows? Maybe we will have some answers by this time tomorrow.
I think we just need to stay healthy at wr, and get more aggressive on offense. That said dangerous wrs are allways a premium. A big body to do some fade routes would be great too. I dont think we need any lber's half the team seems to be a LBer and our 3 are a great strength.
Id like to see us bring in more rush ends if what we have doesnt step up. A high up side young qb would be nice. Some one with a full passing tool set ideally.
Ol, even though they played well its still a position you can never have enough bodies at.
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2 minutes ago, Noeller said:
How come you're so defiant about it?
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any final word on mcduff?
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2 hours ago, Atomic said:
4 catches for 234 yards and 4 TDs for Denmark
Is hammy gonna bring in that db milt burned for a similar stat line? Idr his name off the top of my head despite him playing here.
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6 minutes ago, Ripper said:
Jock was a ham and egger his whole career.
Corrected he didnt i thought he was in TO when they did.
Looking at his stats I couldnt believe he was a 3 time cfl all star. And 3 good years no less.
This NFL cut down could be interesting. Lots of guys lingering down there. though at this point I hope henoc makes it and sticks on teams / pr.
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17 minutes ago, Ripper said:
I would be interested in looking at Vaughn, depending on the money
I *definitely think he has gas left in the tank. I like the guy and we shouldnt have need for a DT. On paper atleast.
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21 hours ago, Goalie said:
I asked Shayon Green what's the toughest thing he's ever done... he said... that's a tough question, just the way I like them and proceeded to tell me that he once won a staring contest with Clint Eastwood and this other time he made fun of Bruce Willis' shirt
- Shayon Green sold his soul to the devil for skill in football and martial arts ability. Shortly after the transaction was finished Green roundhouse kicked the devil in the face and took his soul back. The devil, who enjoys irony couldnt stay mad at green and knew he should have seen it coming. Now they play poker together every 2nd friday of the month.
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23 minutes ago, Dr. Blue said:
It looks like the guys who have studied behind Ray have done pretty well. I believe playing behind and learning from Ray on the field and in the film room has helped these guys a lot.
I'd be after Ray to be on my coaching staff as soon as he retires.
Can never really tell if a vet qb like ray takes any part of stuff like this from the fans position. One wonder when you see edm, bc, calgary in the past with qb puppy mills. But there are several qbs in various levels that refuse to train underlings or do much of any thing with them. Famously rich gannon with the raiders refused to do any thing with the stringers below him even being coached by their HC directly and not the oc/qb coach. Similar with brett favre. *The biggest cfl version that was some what public was AC.
A star qb is allways worth a look as a qb coach imop especially if you run a system similar to what they did at their best.
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1 hour ago, blitzmore said:
Well not only is your original post your opinion....I see you are prone to exaggeration.
Those arent my opinions. Those are all other people. Ranging from fans of other teams, this team, to NFL Scouts.
On August 1, 2016 at 6:51 PM, wbbfan said:He has some good games. He is a terrible tackler and sometimes gives up some big gains because of it.
Macho Harris yuck. Really like the Shayon Green signing, though
Agree Ripper. But I'm not too excited about Macho Harris
I don't remember Harris being very good last year. His attempted decapitation of Cotton is the play that sticks out in my mind. Missed a kill shot and gave up an extra 20 or so yards.
One thing about Macho is from time to time he does lay out some big hits
Macho must be a Richie Hall addition, god knows the scouts couldn't find him.
Harris is Kuale II. Gives up coverage and the tackle trying to blow someone one up. Too much risk for reward.
Yikes. Macho Harris is quite bad.
If Macho Harris is on this team come the start of the regular season, that's a massive fail by our scouts.
Thats funny when I first saw thread title I thought macho hIArris yuck, was even going to simply put YUCK. As my whole post. But I sees u beat me to It
I sincerely, with every fibre of my bean, hope this Macho Harris signing is just a case of a it happens to be recognizable TCF
Likes to go for the intimidating hit and will occasionally fail to wrap up properly when dropping his shoulder into the ballcarrier. ... Plays a flashy, emotional game and can get carried away on the field, drawing penalties.
From the day we signed him thread, and his nfl scout report. Go back to the riders forum and look up the posts about him. Or re watch games of his and actually watch him not the ball. A guy like him has a role on the team imop. And can have a positive impact. But in limited action and specific packages / back up on defense. He is who he is. A younger more athletic terry ray with out the savoy decision making and discipline.
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27 minutes ago, Rich said:
You cherry picked the original quote and missed the bolded part. The bolded part implies that a young QB needs time to watch and learn the game, which is the point people in this thread have been trying to make.
Then you went on to say that Davis is already too old, that he is practically 30 already in hasn't amount to anything. Here are the first year stats of Masoli, Harris, and Davis. All had 0 starts at this point as well. Care to guess who is who?
Age Completions Attempts Yards TDs Ints 26 8 19 80 0 0 26 16 25 169 0 0 25 21 45 293 1 3 I don't even think that Davis is going to amount to anything as a QB. The odds are stacked against him, there are far more QBs that fizzle out and become nothing than those that become starters, but it is far too early to write him off.
No, i didnt. young qbs starting isnt a bad thing at all. We have a ton of young qbs now where as a few years ago when half the teams in the league lacked good qbs we had tons of old qbs.
Your still missing the point. Thats those guys were close to two years younger and further ahead. Thats massive. They are guys with developed passing game. Davis bounced due to school issues to a small school where he played 2 years. And 1 year, his last was bad. Much worse then the first year he was an actual starter.
Im not saying hes useless or worthless. Im saying he isnt the qb of the future and has little hope to be.
27 2 years of starting since he HS. 1 bad.
Masoli was a three year starter and is a cfl starter NOW. He's 27
trevor harris was a 4 year starter and is starting NOW. He's 30, but by far the most established of all these guys.
When he was davis age he came in showed brilliant and the next year picked up the same level of play replacing ray.
Davis is 27 has only played preseason garbage where he was average-good nothing special. Hasnt had a sniff since college. And only had 1 good year at college. Hes too raw for his age.
willy is a year and a half older but 3 years ago he went 5-1 to start as our starter.
Davis cant crack 2nd string on a bad team where as the other guys were no2 well before this point for davis. His raw skill set and lack of experience and polish would be fine if he was 22-24. Even if he was 25-26, for his level of experience and polish he'd be behind the curve. Bennett has the youth but has flaws that probably cant be fixed. Davis is the best of the 2 but neither guy is the future of the team at qb. Davis would be good to have come off the bench for either willy or nichols if one plays really poorly in game. As he'd atleast be a change of pace and could spark some thing with his legs.
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4 minutes ago, Rich said:
The original argument was it usually takes a QB 2 - 3 years as a backup before they can become regular starters, and you tried to make it look like there was a slew of QBs who come in right away and ready to be regular starters. That just isn't true as the stats I mentioned with the current slew of starting QBs prove.
Ray and BLM are the possible exceptions, but most QBs take time a few years to learn the game.
Does that mean that Davis is guaranteed to become a successful starter? No, but he has only dressed for 17 regular season games in which he has had 25 attempts and 10 rushes. It is also too early to proclaim him a bust.
As for his age. he was 26 last year in his first CFL season which isn't that old when you consider college years and bouncing around the NFL.
"People forgot a key ingredient to develop a QB... you have to have a bonafide starting QB FIRST."
What i responded to.
The nfl is harder on qbs and rookies start if they are high up side, and if they sit more then a year its a rarity. Sitting on the bench for 2-3 years does nothing to help the development of a football player. Like i said, and people around the cfl saw, these guys showed the flashes as soon as they got a chance, and played at a high level as soon as they got starts. Even before becoming the no1 starter.
Those guys, were also young. Davis, has been a pr/ fa bouncer most of his time as a pro. If im wrong and your right, he still hasnt had what those guys have.
Still 0 starts and in that same age range as the rest of those guys and our no1 no2 who both have several starts.
Davis last start was in 2011. Since then hes had garbage time in 2 pre season games. Do you see the difference? Hes not where the "developed" qbs in the cfl were when they took starts, and is far older.
in 2011 we finished first in the east, lulay, glenn, ac, and buck pierce, were running amok at qb back then.
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5 minutes ago, M.O.A.B. said:
BLM sits for 2 years before he become as starter in 2014.
Reilly was a backup for 3 yrs in BC. He became Esks full time starter in 2013.
Harris was a backup for 3 years in TO. He became as starter 2015.
Masoli? He's not an elite QB yet.
BLM came in and won games in his 2nd year and looked great. Reily was stuck but as soon as he got a start after 2 years he showed great. The same stuff he showed in pre season. Similar to harris. But harris even more so.
Didnt say any of them are elite yet, but you look top to bottom in this league, you dont see qbs who take a ton of years to show promise. These guys could have been playing earlier very easily.
These guys didnt come as bumpkins and over that time become some thing special. When your in your late 20s with little to no flashes no starts your chances of going any where are awful.
If these guys were slowly developed youd see high starts low production years and a taper up. Not guys coming in off the bench being highly productive in their first starts.
Riders Vs. Als "Bottom of the Barrel Edition"
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no kidding lol. Half the players that come out of buffalo NY spend more time in canada.