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Well it's not quite as simple as that, a coalition has to go to the governor general and convince him that they can govern rather than calling an election. Similarly prorouging is not some evil sin either, hell Chretien did it a ton too, Harper asked the governor general to do it, the governor general has to agree, and that's that. There's nothing scandalous about it. Both sides were using the tools at their disposal to play the game. 

Good point. Wasn't the coalition of the left that tried to take over (along with the separatists, who may have even had veto power) supposedly formed because they were upset that the Conservatives weren't doing ENOUGH stimulus spending?  And then later they're outraged about the deficit. LOL.
 
Meanwhile anyone with a brain knew it was the removal of the ridiculous pay-per-vote law that they were really desparate to stop.

You can accuse me of ignorance but you're lacking common sense.  Did the Libs and Dems have the *right* under our system to try and steal government?  Sure.  Did the Cons have the *right* to prorogue government to avoid that?  Absolutely.  They did the right thing for the country.  Can you imagine a coalition of Libs and Dems guiding us through the recession?  Yikes.
 
it was bad enough when they forced the Cons to spend more than they intended and then wagged their fingers "look at this deficit"... the deficit would have been much higher under the Liberals.

So people have just accused Conservatives enough times incorrectly of being corrupt that people are just believing it?  Or are the people saying that just the same ones who fretted about their "hidden agenda" before and after they were elected?
 
Reading stuff like this makes me think we deserve Trudeau and Selinger.

I cast a weary eye at all politicians - there is a degree of fabrication amongst all of them.  That goes for the PCs and the NDP and I guess the Libs as well although they haven't been relevant since the Carstairs years.
 
But I have to ask you, what scandals involving the PCs are you talking about because the only one that really sticks out in my mind was the vote-rigging scandal in the 1995 election and I have my doubts that Filmon was even aware of it?  I'm certainly not aware of any widespread corruption during his tenure.  I'm aware of his balanced budgets in the face of decreased transfer payments from the federal government during the belt-tightening 90s and how he passed into law that the province could not have back-to-back years of provincial deficits - a law that was put to pasture by the NDP without any form of discussion a few years ago.
 
And if this province is doing so well and if other provinces would kill to have our hydro, why is the 1% increase in the PST necessary along with the myriad of other tax hikes approved by the NDP the last few years?
 
Good for Lyle I guess.  I imagine his career as a football executive is over even is this doen't turn out well for him.

Harper is so scary.  He will turn this country into a dictatorship.  There will be soldiers in the streets.  WITH GUNS!
 
I love the anti-Harper rhetoric.  How long has he been PM?  When is he going to unleash this terrible agenda? 
 
Stephen Harper has been the best thing to happen to federal politics in decades.  Its always liberals that think they best represent Canadians even the ones that dont vote liberal but they are the first to bury people who disagree with them.  And I say that as a former liberal.
 
I mean sure, I guess if you're rich enough to handle liberal tax and spend or if you're involved in some lobbyist group or if you just hate the rest of the world, then the Liberals are for you.  But Ill tell you right now, given a choice who do you want representing Canada on the world stage?  Harper or the boy blunder Trudeau?
 
As for Manitoba, if the PC's dont win it means one of two things:  The current PC leadership are inept to stunning degrees or Manitobans are the stupidist people of all time.
 
To the person who said we have long memories about a PC government, you're right.  And Id love to have Filmon back.  How dare he balance the budget while receiving WAAAAY lower federal transfer payments.  Sorry, but I dont like HIGHER taxes, LARGER debt, BROKEN promises, ANTI-business and the utter embarrassment that this NDP government currently is.  I liked their support for their Jets and Bombers though.  So there's that.  The PC's will be just as supoportive of both (both because it's good PR and because it's smart investment).

Proroguing parliament was 100% justifed.  It's a legitimate tool and he used it to prevent the unelected left from essentially comitting a coup of the federal government.  Look, the people can make their voices heard by voting.  And if the lefties dont like Harper, they have a choice - win an election.  They had the option of trying to steal government and Harper had the option of preventing it.  He was right.  And the people went on to back him be re-electing him so its a moot point.

Dont give me that nonsense.  I've voted liberal and Cons.  Dont be blinded by the anti-Harper nonsense.
 
Government answers to the people or at least thats how it SHOULD be in a democratic society.  The left tried to STEAL government.  Period.  Dont pretend that it was legitimate lack of confidence.  It wasn't.  it was political BS.  If it wasn't, the PEOPLE would have elected the liberals or the NDP.  They didnt. 
 
Ofcourse the Cons aren't scandal free.  But to point to a loser like Brazeau and hang that around the Cons is silly.  The Liberals have been scandal-free?  Come on.  Harper acted swiftly to condemn Brazeau and boot him.  He acted quickly on Duffy too.  but Duffy is an arrogant loser who pulled the "no one messes with me" nonsense.  I dont think that has stuck to Harper at all and I think he will win the next election too.  The people will speak either way.

Typical, just like every other post you make. Glad you added something to the discussion.

Long time lurker, first time poster. Please hear me out.
 
What happens if we win on Friday night? Will the naysayers and doomsday prophets go into hiding? Or will their views change?
 
As a collective we wanted change. We needed change. Now that the change has come, we're in more of an uproar than before. I've been on this earth for 21 years, and a die hard Bombers fan for just about as long. I can't remember the glory days, the good times, but that doesn't mean I'm any less of a fan.
 
After the terrible start and a circus surrounding the team, how could we ask for anything more than a complete revamp? Bringing in Wade and Marcel, giving the reins to Max etc.. this is football. The team should be putting players and personnel in place that give us the best chance to win week in and week out.
 
So why is it that when Mr. Goltz gets pulled from his starting spot everyone goes bananas? He's shown that he can't win games as a starter. Why does it matter what the coaches say about starters weeks ago, when we're no better off now than we were then?
 
Change is necessary, and these changes are in place to make us a better team. Will it be immediate? Absolutely not. But as a collective can we band together, trust our organization and hope for a better future for our team? I've never been as disappointed in our fans as I am now.