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You don't see Russia "liberating" the Luhansk & Donetsk People's Republics and leaving behind a massive Russian force count in them and the Crimea, for "insurance", smashing Ukraine's military into dirt and them f'ing off home as a loss for Ukraine?

There's more than one way to interpret the word "surrender". But surely, one is coming. When there is no forseeable Win-Condition for them, ultimately it is likely the way forward with the least amount of human suffering.

I think that's a false binary. Other options are on the table after Ukraine surrenders.

You reckon that they want to?

My unpopular opinion: Any news that tries to tell you that Ukraine isn't being rolled up, and fast, is propaganda. Melitopol is about 161km from Crimea. Fell in 48hrs. Kherson is about 418km from Donetsk. Fell in 7 days.

Frankly this entire pose the UN types took mystifies me. They're communicating that they aren't willing to listen to a single word that Russia has to say. Do they not imagine that Russia will have this in mind the next time they plan unilateral action? Do they imagine that there will be no further ones? If NATO/US/EU isn't going to do jack-**** about it (they won't), and they're already being sanctioned-worse-than-any-country-ever, why wouldn't they just go on as they mean to?

So the Russian Generals and Commanders aren't stupid, it's just that a Dictator they must follow is? I'm not trying to tell anyone that they may be being lied to... but I have to ask: Is blowing up bridges, distributing weapons to civilians and releasing felons the actions of a Nation that is on the front foot here?

And you imagine that you can learn this lesson, but the Russian Generals can't?

Just seems to me that the bulk of what I read/hear from pundits, talking heads and commenters seem to be of the belief that Russian command didn't wargame every single one of these scenarios and have a gameplan move ready ahead of time. I just presume that they are way smarter and have access to way better data than we do and since they are the ones who took initiative, they get to calibrate their moves based on the responses by the opposition forces/economies/alliances/etc. People are acting as if a complete rollover of Ukraine in a couple of days isn't a shocking victory. Most of us are old enough to remember how the US ran over Iraq to the outskirts of Baghdad in 2 weeks and how stunned the world was... well that was after the US "Shock and Awe" phase of bombing, rockets and artillery. Russia didn't even require that to completely roll-up Ukraine (despite it's zillions of dollars worth of weaponry the West has been giving it for years).

Yes. Something very much like that. Crimea and Donbass will be absorbed into Russia. Putin will install a Pro-Moscow President after Zelensky "disappears". The remainder of Ukraine will be... "independent" and disarmed.

My unpopular opinion: -Russia has withheld the strongest of its military might on the chance that NATO/US/EU/Somebody joins in on Ukraine's side and needs to be dealt with -Russia has not invaded full scale regardless of what the press keeps telling me -Nobody is serious about dealing with Putin/Russia so long as they keep buying Russian fuel -As fuel prices soar, Putin/Russia literally grow richer as a result of this incursion -Sanctions will do SFA other than strengthen Sino-Russian cooperation -A serious attempt to militarily defend Ukraine by any other state would necessarily involve defence/counterattacks/attacks on the Russian military and therefore: is an invitation for Russia to attack the country who attacks their forces. -******* nobody is going to do that -therefore: negotiated surrender and acceding to Russian terms is the only outcome. I don't like it. But I can't see it another way. Saving the Ukrainian people's lives is my most favored outcome at this point and I can't see this go any "better" way for them.

Wow. What an ending. Instant classic. Enjoy it boys.

1st & 20 You got them now. Edit: 2nd & 19ish

Jeez that TD was a battle. Hope your D is up for the fight

ZC may have had an option in the 2nd level there

Respect guys. I would be dying right now if I were you.

God, I love football

Btw, the "over" won me $200

And now the Ticats have decided to start calling **** plays...

Cats are on 3 down land now.

Cats have a longggg way to go.

Be careful Zach...

Idk. He knew where the yardmarker was and denied it.

Offside to the ENTIRE Hamilton D Line

Fair play to Evans. He defended that well.