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Bombers have given up 40 big plays. The next closest is Hamilton at 30. The high powered O we see is fantastic and all, but the D is just horrendous. Meanwhile, we have had 23 big plays, only Toronto and Hamilton have less (which is actually surprising and shows that this is a methodical O). To break it downs some..... Big plays surrendered per game: WPG - 4.000 HAM - 3.333 BC - 3.300 SSK - 2.889 OTT - 2.364 CGY - 2.300 EDM - 2.200 TOR - 2.182 MTL - 1.700 Big runs surrendered per game: WPG - 0.900 EDM - 0.700 HAM - 0.667 BC - 0.400 CGY - 0.400 MTL - 0.400 SSK - 0.333 TOR - 0.273 OTT - 0.182 Big passes surrendered per game: HAM - 2.111 SSK - 2.111 BC - 2.100 WPG - 2.000 OTT - 1.818 EDM - 1.400 TOR - 1.364 CGY - 1.300 MTL - 1.200 Note that I am not going to do a breakdown of the special teams rate per game because it is just embarrassing and shocking how bad it stacks up to the rest of the league (we need a new ST coordinator perhaps even worse than a new DC) The Hall bend but don't break, but actually break D is frustrating to no end. When the turnovers were rolling in it masked it a bit, but right now those are not coming.

I would love to see more twin back sets with those 2. I like Harris, but I actually think I am a bigger fan of Flanders.

Well, the league is investigating it upon the club complaining apparently, so when they come back with a slap to the Riders I will be more than happy to say I was wrong. I am guessing nobody else will do the same if they come back empty though. I am not sorry that I do my best to keep the blue tinted goggles a bit thin and try to look at things in an unbiased fashion.

Yes, and this move would potentially work in a shuffle to get Thorpe back in. It would take more than one move, but the point being that Lankford is receiver depth and if they remove him as KR then they likely find a spot for someone else. Meanwhile, if you bring a DB in for KR then you probably remove a depth DB.

I actually think the Calgary game will be a W. I am not entirely sure they can beat the Stamps straight up (definitely possible) but I think the Stamps will have 1st locked up by then, and it is the last game of the season.

I am a 17 year season ticket holder for the Bombers. You?

Brown was mistaken. There were 2 instances where a player went down during tempo, but don't take my word for it, look yourself: https://www.cfl.ca/games/2413/winnipeg-blue-bombers-vs-saskatchewan-roughriders/#playbyplay (09:56) M. NICHOLS Completed Pass to C. DENMARK, caught at S54 (19 yds, 16 YAC), Pushed Out of Bounds by M. EDEM, E. STEELE injured on the play (1st Q and not in Tempo) (09:09) J. BARTEL Punt (39 yds), Returned by K. FOGG from S52 (6 yds, 0 credited), Penalty: No Yards, 15 yds called on Saskatchewan (K. FRANCIS) (15 yds.) - Enforced From S52, M. EDEM injured on the play (2nd Q, and actually on a punt, not while they were on D. Very possibly fake, as that is pretty standard on a turnover of this nature). (01:58) M. NICHOLS Completed Pass to A. HARRIS, caught at W49 (14 yds, 10 YAC), Tackle: E. DARGAN, M. HENRY injured on the play (2nd Q and in Tempo) (09:09) M. NICHOLS Completed Pass to W. DRESSLER, caught at S15 (7 yds, 2 YAC), Tackle: E. GAINEY, E. MRABURE-AJUFO injured on the play (4th Q and in Tempo) so that is 2 times.

He cleared one play. "yay" Sorry man, I really like O'shea as a coach and he is the type of coach that I want, but his hands are far from clean as both a player and a coach.

Because he asked the refs about a sleeper play? Alrighty.

Yeah, I am thinking that this is a potential move to bring Lankford out of the lineup and make some room to dress a different receive (Ie Thorpe)

2 "potential" fake injuries (and I stress potential because I believe at least one of them was real) with one in each half is is consistent? That seems like a pretty silly statement. But lets even say it is true, which I am still not sold on, one of the things that I love about O'shea is that he pushes the boundaries of rules (even the TSN panel of all people recognize that), so it would be tough to say he wouldn't do the same. Players have been taking a conveniently timed knee for a change of pace for as long as football has been around and doing it on a steady basis, so I don't see how this would magically qualify as different. It really just sounds like some people are sucking on some sour grapes here, but to each their own.

I just don't bye into the hysteria on this one. Don't get me wrong, Tempo is a great tool, and Lapo has used it well, and I like to see it pay dividend as it has for much of the season, but rewatching, I think I noticed 3 Riders go down on D, and I believe 2 of those were during Tempo. The one was someone with a cramp. Was that real? No idea, but it does happen. Could have been fake, but he did look to be in some discomfort. The second was the one with the guy with the broken arm (Mrabure??). I noticed he made a big hit the play before and he seemed to have pain when he went into his stance on the line. Fake? Could be, but considering the hit and broken arm it is hard to say. He looked pretty good during it and was laughing, but I have laughed when I hurt myself as well. Ok, so maybe one of those 2 was faked. Even if so, I am not going to sweat this. If it was occurring with any consistency I would be up in arms.

only 3 more wins? I think they will win at lease 4 down the stretch, and as many as 6. I will go with 11-7 so as there is room for a pleasant surprise

Did the D play good, or did the riders play 'don't make the big mistake' in the second half? Hard to truly evaluate things in what was essentially extended garbage time. I think the D was better, but I also feel they changed modes, so I go with combination. If the Bombers had the same lead, I expect we would have seen similar happen. These head to heads if you get a chance to not show everything, you don't. Barring one freak run the riders run game was really bad, that is a huge plus to repeat. Harris needs to have more success up the gut so as to open up the passing game over the middle. The riders are playing a very aggressive D style with a lot of press coverage, so those outside passes are going to have limited success. Need to combat that with slants/posts, and in order to open that up you need to have success on the ground up the middle. I think that will be the biggest change, especially if that James fellow is not playing, because he was pretty swallowing in there. Read on hear that he was on crutches. Hate to see a player hurt, but it likely improves those runs. On D, I am not a fan of Hall. I don't mind the play of the front 7 for the most part, but the secondary strategy leaves a lot to be desired. Bombers have the number one O, and that is great, but they need it because the secondary sucks. Only Hamilton gives up more points or yards. I love a team that can score, and I love shootouts, but it is hard to ride that game in and game out long term. Some of that was masked because we were seeing turnovers, but that seems to have dropped off. The riders seemed to stray from their quick hitter game a fair bit, and I am expecting to see more of a return to that this week. Need to stay aggressive and jump one of those and take it to the house.

Totally agree, but in the here and now, even with the Esks injuries, I believe they are better than the Redblacks. Splitting hairs I guess.

Well, we had a few players go out for 3 when the riders had momentum, and they looked just fine as well. Both sides were doing this. If you don't want your kid doing this, that is admirable and all, but if they ever move beyond HS ball and they refuse they will be gone. It is part of the game and always has been. Anyways, the big positive from the game was that the rider run game was essentially nothing aside from one run. Bombers didn't get a pile going either, but it sounds like James might be out, so that is going to help running up the gut. Need to have some level of success there to open up the slants/posts instead of having to attack the edges so much. Those gut runs are a huge part of opening up Lapo's playbook. Get that going and things will be a lot better. On D, not sure what to say. Not a huge fan of how Hall runs things, and the story of the season has not been stopping the opponent, but simply scoring more.

I simply choose not to wear my goggles as thick of a blue filter as some and try to look at things a little less bias. I watched what the TSN Panel had to say one this, and I 100% agree with them.

I have a hard time believing a player would involve security during a game when they know the camera is on them. Carter is a ****** but he is not that stupid. Perhaps it never happened, but I tend to believe it did. Every fan base has a percentage of idiots, and it is a shame those few paint us good ones bad.

Tough to argue them really, except I am not sure Ottawa should have been raised to 4th. I know they have won 3 in a row, but they played 2 teams that are just plain bad, and BC during a huge slide. Not sure how they get above the Eskimos when they have lost to them 2 times, even if the Eskimos have hit a bit of a wall.

Sorry, but I really don't get the angst on taking a knee / feigning injury. This has been a tactic used in football to slow up the opponent for as long as I can recall. Frustrating? sure, but hardly something new. I am honestly not too sure I can recall a game that this didn't happen, and that goes beyond the CFL. After a big play, long run on a pick or return, or simply to readjust either an O or a D when the other side is in sync, this has been around forever.

That should help the run game. He seemed to be fairly controlling in there and slowed down the inside game considerably.

yeah, they accomplished very little on the ground if you were to take the one bust out of the equation. I mean that was a big play, but that bust aside I think their longest run was maybe 6 or 7 yards with an average of maybe 2 or 3.

No Carter fan here, but apparently security went over there right after as Carter had talked to them. There are classless fans everywhere. Bombers had some last week, and I am sure the Riders will have some when they visit this week. It is the unfortunate consequence of over indulgence, which is only heightened in games like LD and the rematch. It shouldn't paint a full fanbase and looking at Carter's twitter early he essentially says the same at some point. Unfortunate that this stuff happens, but it always well.

Yeah, I remember 7117. I mean it was a 7-1 team against a 1-7 team, so if there was ever a time to walk away with a win it was was pretty crushing (though not as bad as the next year's). The game and its rematch are intense, and records seem to mean very little going into them each time.