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I voted for the smartest one - John Bonk. When he was our center, or oline was never 'weak'. Bonk wasn't big, especially by today's standards, but he was very fast, and very very smart. The center position is critical in football and you can't be no 'dummy' (not saying the other guys were, not at all, I'm just saying you have to be smart) and Other than Bill Frank it's a good list. I'm surprised Norman isn't there either, thought eventually he got his knee taken out, ole Butch was Dieter's personal protector and did a great job as Brock wasn't exactly Mr. Mobility.
As for the question on who Brock's receivers were - Mike Holmes was one. Leo Ezrins was for a bit too until they turned him from a tight end (yes they still had tight ends in those days) to a linebacker. Tommy Scott was another one (though they traded him to Edmonton for the right to draft Joe Poplawski, or maybe the Esks had already drafted Joe Pops and it was the trade to him outright - this is by memory I ain't looking it up). I'd have to look up the other receivers, if mentioned I'd remember.
Rick House would have had some time with Brock as well. He was a very good NI reciever
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I didn't call out any one person. Rather I said just take the whole post in. Over reaction by you and no, lol, no apology will be forthcoming.
I wasn't talking about you Resurrection as far as the apology. Those who were cherry picking my quotes out of context know darn well what they were doing was bush league but they've done it repeatedly anyway (and no, I'm not overreacting).
However, referencing another board over here is a dangerous thing to get into. The Riderfan.com/Ztella (Cornish) beef is an old and complicated one. Best to leave the battle over there.
Cornish brought that on himself. He actually said that he preferred to mix it up & talk trash with Rider fans than post on his own team's board (who were begging him to participate) because he felt some Stamps fans there were losers & it wasn't busy enough. If a player goes to a rival board espcially RF.com & says dumb things then he deserves to get lit up just like we would if we did the same thing. Ztella as Cornish calls himself never posts on CFL Horsemen.
Thank you. Seriously, What kind of "professional" football player posts on another teams fan board, admits who he is, and trashes the team and the fans. Cornhole is a loser and I suspect he has some other issues also. He tops it off by mooning us fans at a game in Regina. He will be hated forever by Rider Nation, period. As for the stamps, there was always a heated rivalry there anyway.
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My first remembrance of Bomber QB was Dieter and his 2 MVP's(against Warren Moon). But I voted for KP. As others have said you just can't overlook the GC wins and you just can not overlook Dieters method of leaving this city. That bridge still burns. All-time teams are generational but I think Ploen will take this. Same reason why Bradford will always be voted best QB in Pittsburgh.
I understand what you mean. Don't take this the wrong way, but Bradshaw was a bad example. The guy was a friggin war machine, 4 superbowls, 2 time superbowl mvp.
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Khari Jones from 2000-2002 had similar numbers maybe would of started 2 or 3 more games. Threw for something like 14000 yards and 105 TDs.
Here are some numbers to pounder (CFLapedia is my source) This would be the 3 best consecutive years numbers of each qb.
Jones 2000-2002 54 games, 14021 yards passing, 107 tds, 75 ints, PA 1676, PC 954, 999 yards rushing.
Brock 80-82 48 games, 13342 yards passing, 88 tds, 42 ints, PA 1623, PC 972, 326 yards rushing.
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I was a kid in the 70's. When I think of the Bombers its Dieter Brock IMO. He was absolutely dominating. Very few before him or since ever threw the ball as hard as him.
His arm strength was insane.
As much as I like Dieter & I have his jersey, he never won a championship anywhere as a pro. Would anyone say Fran Tarkenton was better than Joe Montana? They both played in four Super Bowls. One won 4 & the other lost 4. Or in the CFL, Sam Etcheverry lost 3 Grey Cups in a row to Jackie Parker & the Eskimos in 54, 55 & 56. Etch had a great arm too but who cares? It's championships a qb should be judged upon. Ploen was the best.
BTW, a great percentage of fans back in the 70's & early 80's thought Brock was a "dumb quarterback". Brock left here very disillusioned & unhappy. I never thought that he'd ever want to come back or be associated with the Bombers, Winnipeg & especially the fans as they rode the poor guy very, very hard when he was a starter. For a lot, he could do no right.
What you are saying is very true. Brock never delivered the cup to the bombers, however likely he wasn't totally to blame for that. For the period 1980-82 he threw 88 td passes and had 13342 yards passing, by anyone's standards that is simply awesome especially considering they only played 16 games in those years.
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I was a kid in the 70's. When I think of the Bombers its Dieter Brock IMO. He was absolutely dominating. Very few before him or since ever threw the ball as hard as him.
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On the Rona radio show this AM, there was a fair bit of speculation originating out of Regina that the Riders were indeed considering a trade of a NI Canadian d-lineman plus a QB prospect for Burris. Burris is pretty much at the end of his career and apparently wants to go out a Grey Cup champ one last time and may even be willing to take a pay cut/deferment to go a contender. Burris would automatically make the Riders a challenger again,and the added revenue from one or possibly two more home playoff games would probably offset his salary cast.
Could all be hot air but who knows?
Then why the **** did he go to Ottawa in the first place? And what makes him think that he can be a Grey Cup champion again (for only the 2nd time in a very long career) when he failed to accomplish anything in the playoffs so often throughout his career?
Because there were no starter openings in Saskatchewan, BC, Calgary, Edmonton, Toronto and Montreal.
There was in BC
agreed. Wally knew Lulay wasn't ok. I also believe they wanted Glenn over Burris. Glenn more cap friendly and even keeled. Hank is too much boom and bust.
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The hate the media in this city has for the Bombers is bordering on obsessive.
I agree the media there sure gets after the team. But I will say as a Rider fan I wish our media asked some friggin questions sometimes that the fans really would like to know the answers to. O'Shea had a tough post game presser after the labor day game, thought he handled it fairly well. Its a fine line sometimes between the media being too tough and being pom pom wavers.
Free Press (Fan Vote) Picking All-Time Blue Bomber Greats
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He was country, when country wasn't cool. A giant of a man for that era. More divisional and cfl all star nominations than any one in cfl history. Ya he is one of the best the league has ever seen. He went in hall of fame the same day as rider great David Ridgeway in 2003.