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6 minutes ago, gcdrought said:
The expectations of Willy by management are one of the strangest things I've ever seen. He was a backup in Saskatchewan with very limited action, and in his first season as a starter with the Bombers he lost more games than he won. But somehow management felt he was a future star and rewarded him with a $400,000/yr. contract. I didn't understand the need to give him that big a deal and obviously still don't. I hate going to Nichols if Willy continues to struggle, but I guess there's no choice.
My main question is the same as it unfortunately always seems to be with respect to the QB position. Why do we always end up with back-up QB's from other teams? It's been over a quarter of a century since we scouted, signed and developed our own QB. That's just pathetic scouting. Sorry, but it is.
Total desperation combined with past exasperation make for strange bedfellows.
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Jets have a limited number of trader pieces (other than some of the fringe players and so-called starters like Beard...
obviously Pavelec, Stuart and a couple others would be wonderful traders but other GMs have something called brain cells so this would never fly.
Jets top 3 trade pieces:
1. Jake Trouba - seems to have topped out in terms of progress and starting to regress slightly (alarming at such an early age). His play is marked by an indescribable indifference. But he's the #1 target for other teams - many thinking a change of venue would jumpstart his career. Who can blame them?
2. Toby Enstrom - too small, too timid and too weak. Great in today's monster-based NHL, huh? Toby's weak defensive play always results in extra goals for opponents. I don't think he's tradeable even if he didn't possess a no-trade clause. Jets will just let the string run out on his contract.
3. Ondrej Pavelec - too high paid to be a back-up. And that's his level right now.
4. Nic Petan - Jets might have too many skilled players which shouldn't be a problem but in this case it is. Still young and spunky, hasn't given up hope but how many effective 5'8" forwards are there in the NHL? He could fetch a high draft pick - or even a solid #5 or #6 d-man plus a mid-round pick if the Jets were so inclined. I think they'll let him simmer in the AHL and use him as first skilled forward call up if something happens to a skill guy.
5. Josh Morrissey - the heir apparent for Enstrom. Little bit bigger, slightly more rambunctious than Enstrom but apparently still NOT READY. Other teams might covet his skill set - but he's not gonna fetch an established #2 or #3 guy - but if we can get a good d-man #4 or #5 minutes eater who can protect his own net Morrisey might be a consideration.
Would love to package Pavelec with either Petan or Trouba to get rid of Pavelec and his large salary. Might be worth a try for Chevy.
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5 hours ago, iso_55 said:
yes, that did happen in 2013. It was quite the underwhelming GM search Wade Miller did even though he promised he would do his due dilligence which he didn't do when he hired Walters. Then Miller & Walter's even more underwhelming decision to bring in MOS in as HC. Those 3 running the Bombers. #blindleadingtheblindleadingtheblind
Even the most rigged of executive hires are always lip-loaded with the phrase "extensive due diligence". In the end Walters was a panic hire - the public wouldn't have put up with any more Lyle Bauer, Jim Barker was unavailable, Roy Shivers was long in the tooth, John Murphy was a bit too audacious for the conservative board and Sunderland was just not on the radar. McManus would have been considered but good thing not to hire the guy - appears he's incapable of running a scouting dept., let alone a team.
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2 hours ago, TBURGESS said:
If that's even brought up in management meetings, then they guy who says it, cough Walters cough, should be let go too.
Walters has turned into the proverbial Silent Joe while O'Shea and Willy fail miserably.
Wade Miller is obviously musing about both men's futures - but you can be sure he won't be sending any smoke signals to media until he actually pulls the trigger.
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5 hours ago, KptKrunch said:
Well, Willy definitely looked outmatched last night, but then again Mike Reilly is one of the best QB's in the league. I think, right now, Harris in Ottawa is the most 'talented' QB but Reilly has that 'it' factor - he'll win 'it' at any cost. Harris hasn't been in that position yet but I think he can do it too.
Willy...... I was really hoping he'd be able to drive that ball downfield in the last minute. Not necessarily scoring a TD but was very disappointed he struggled as much as he did against a porous Edmonton defense who couldn't do anything against Harris or Durant (well, until the Dline stopped a 3rd a short but that was Durants fault as much as it was Edmonton's line as he didn't extend the ball like he should have).
I like the idea of having Burris - his time is most definitely done in Ottawa. I can't see any circumstance other than injury that they bring Burris back as a starter. However, who do the bombers have the REDBLACK's would want. Agree with Root where, though the salary matches, there's no reason to swap Burris for Willy. In fact, I'd rather keep Burris in case Harris does go down. At least you know you still have a chance (a very good chance) to win with Burris in there, vs. Willy.
I don't know, another loss or two and you gotta think the Willy experiment is over. Lets see what Dominic Davis can do. Or Bennett. Leave Nichols as the backup and have him come in when one or the other is struggling. If the Bombers go 1 - 5 or 1 - 6 (very real possibility) the season is done anyway.
On the flip side, despite the yardage racked up the Eskimos, the defense played very well. Limiting any team to 20 points when you give up 500+ yards total offense is quit the accomplishment. Though Edmonton did shoot themselves in the foot a lot with bad penalties.
Oh, one more thing, Ripper makes a great point, I brought it up a few weeks back. Every team, every game, I see a receiver make a play for his QB. He will catch a ball he has no business catching. He will 'make a play'. I see the Eskie receivers do it many times a game actually, it's part of what makes Reilly so good. Other than that no look catch by Smith last week in Ottawa (which really was a fluke) I don't see the bomber receivers making any big catches for Willy. Three times over the past few weeks he threw a long ball that I though was catcheable if it was Bowman, Walker, or Green (S.J.) he was throwing to. But it wasn't, and the bomber receiver(s) did not make the necessary adjustments to go after the ball, they just watched it sail away or fall short. Disappointing to say the least.
I think the word is sufficiently out if you start jumping and diving for Willy's errant balls - you could easily put your health and career in jeopardy. So if the ball isn't near the bread basket - the receivers have decided to give up on the ball. Not a good sign for the future.
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10 minutes ago, J5V said:
It's not just that. He suffered a very nasty knee injury last season. I was wondering how it would affect his ability to throw the ball and I believe we are seeing the effects now. He is not the same athlete he was as before the knee injury. He is a damaged QB that can no longer throw an accurate football. I think it's as simple as that. We need to get us another QB. This one's broken. What's really sad is that MOS probably feels responsible for Willy being broken and refuses to accept it. That's why he keeps rolling him out there. He can't accept the fact that Willy's career as an elite starting QB in this league ended during his watch (however brief that turns out to be).
The longer Stubborn Mike hangs in with Willy the easier to gauge O'Shea's level of insanity.
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5 hours ago, M.O.A.B. said:
Walters need to work on that.
Willy & Medlock for Burris.
Only way Walter/Miller trade Medlock is when the bombers are pretty much certain to finish up the track = then trade him to a playoff team that needs a reliable/long place-kicker who can make them better!
If Walters can get a healthy Burris (Hank's finger is still very swollen) for a dud QB and a near $200k place-kicker - do it! Maybe get a 3rd round draft pick to top it off cuz Burris might have half a season to a season and a half left.
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3 hours ago, 17to85 said:
I am not defending him so much as trying to expand people's focus. He's not the only problem on this team, not by a long shot.
Agreed. Perhaps he's 60 to 65% of the problem. Air-drop an established man like Burris into the equation and he'd have the typical Winnipeg problem of getting to know his teammates, timing, new OC, unemotional head coach, etc. Hank would also take more abuse than Willy cuz he'd try to stretch his scampers by a few yds vs. Willy going into fetal position whenever tacklers enter his limited field of vision.
Glenn would be more effective hitting receivers but he'd be mincemeat behind our blocking schemes. Glenn can't run either - he'd be totally abused. Same with Ricky Ray. Ray can sometimes operate with 1.5 to 2 seconds - he'd be a tackling dummy here.
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28 minutes ago, Adrenaline_x said:
How do you know though since the qb can't get the ball into their hands.
Harris is as productive as Roberts with less dazzle.
Milt was a superstar for sure but Brazil was hit or miss and Armand Bruce showed well but left.
I think it was Arnold Bruce - not Armand. Kudos for the Bobo Brazil reference!
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1 hour ago, Mr Dee said:
A move like this, to sit pretty Willy, for a bit, would be the way to go. It's like a mimed slap to the face. It should be done. It should have already been done.
But this is an enormous weakness, or mis-belief, by our HC, and is added into data-accumulation information of misdeeds for MOS.
And that booklet is growing. And that's not good for O'Shea.
He who live by a sword stubborneth - die quickly despite rusty and unsharp blade!
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3 minutes ago, tracker said:
Agreed that Willy is not worth what he costs, but Burris is questionable- how tread does he have on his tires and does he want to come here under this regime?
Burris would be infuriated to be traded to a team with a dud head coach, an incompetent GM and a rather sketchy team president. Well, at least the money is guaranteed!
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5 minutes ago, M.O.A.B. said:
I will trade Willy for Burris at this point. Burris will be better as a starter & mentor for Davis / Bennett.
Willy is not worth the money he is getting right now.
Desjardins has superior football intelligence to Walters. You think he'd trade a $450k guy who almost won a cup for a dud like Willy? But the thought is intriguing. Willy would have to re-neg. his contract to around $175 to $200k if he wants a shot at staying in the league. Meanwhile, he'll such all the game shecks he can suck - so long as the team is blind to the problem!
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24 minutes ago, Super Duper Negatron said:
If he hits open receivers (like Smith and Dressler have BOTH been so far the year) in stride, those are TDs. No need to contest a jump ball.
Willy doesn't see the field like an ace like Reilly. Reilly is able to bounce off the pressure - and find any or all open guys - seemingly at will.
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35 minutes ago, Stickem said:
For sure all of that.......and like Mike I'm wondering what it would take to get Franklin here???? Of the three that were available at the time we signed Willy, he was last on my 'get him list'...Collaros was my first choice (if it weren't for the bad injury he'd be leading the league and is up there with the top qbs.) Burris was my second choice, at that time....Willy was a back up in Sask. that looked like a real good back-up and apparently he still is...We hitched our wagon once again to mediocrity and are now realizing the result....Buggah...
Willy is no longer a franchise quarterback. He's a $400,000 white elephant. If they were privately owned or had a modicum of oversight the situation would be amended. But they don't. So, for the interim O'Shea's legendary stubbornness rules the day (with his .315 winning percentage)
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9 hours ago, bb1 said:
Well I have become indifferent to the coaching , the same excuses will come out.. really what's the point of bitching anymore?
O'Shea is really veering off the standard excuse path - with some doozies!
Meanwhile back at the ranch - Kyle Walters has gone into silent running!
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9 hours ago, bb1 said:
Well I have become indifferent to the coaching , the same excuses will come out.. really what's the point of bitching anymore?
If you listened to O'Shea's post-game comments with Irving - and the gufferaw he was tossing around during the post-game presser he was trying to defend Willy by immediately talking about atrocious officiating. Not a good answer to be had.
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28 minutes ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said:
That was Watkins, probably the tallest DB in the league, covering one of the shortest receivers in the league. Great matchup!
A tall, efficient DB covering a dwarf-like WR with average speed, combined with a QB who can't keep the ball out of the gutter - NOT a very enticing situation.
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1 minute ago, tracker said:
You have to start somewhere, and I propose that acknowledging Willy as not the quarterback the team needs is a beginning. Moreover, O'Shea got out-coached again by a rookie as the Esks pulled steadily away after the first quarter. I am also not pleased at the scouting staff's results. After all this time we still do not have a breakaway receiver, and it irks me that Collins might have been that guy.
You'll never have a breakaway WR if Willy is terrified of throwing balls over 20 yards. His pocket presence is worse than ever - while Reilly has that intuitive ability to shrug off/elude guys so close he can smell their stench.
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1 hour ago, tracker said:
Edmonton gets to turn over their whole freaking coaching staff and hire a rookie head coach and still pulls away from the "stable" Bombers. Bombers coaching staff is "stable" but a stable is also full of manure. At least it wasn't another blowout but it is painfully obvious that Willy can't get it done when it counts.
Willy has gradually morphed into a $400,000 burn.
Other than Stan Bryant - the weakest Eskimo o-lineman is better than any of our guys. Suck Chunks and Goose were getting turnstiled and bull-rushed like there was no tomorrow. Hardick and Neufeld weren't much better - they were first upfield to extend helping hands to Willy after he went fetal.
Stubborness is not a solution!
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7 hours ago, iso_55 said:
I can answer that for you KBF. All the former players here that are now in Edmonton play in a better system with better players around them. The result is they're playing better than they did here. It's better.
Nobody in Winnipeg likes hearing what you say but its the cold stone truth.
Guys like Miller and Walters will talk your ear off about how they've restructured the organization and made things so much better. Lots of empty verse - and in a world governed by results the bombers aren't cutting it.
But since they have no oversight (the owner is a 40 year mortage) the current honchos can just keep juggling balls and keeping themselves employed.
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9 minutes ago, tracker said:
I suspect that Willy will get every start until at least the season is lost, which ought to be by the end of August, at which point we will be 3 and 6 or such. Perhaps O'Shea's successor can coach Wily up better.
So the real betting is on whether the football no-minds in Wpg. decide to can O'Shea and Willy in a package deal or just Willy - or 3rd option JUST O'SHEA.
Whatever they do, it won't solve the inherent problem
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7 hours ago, Eternal optimist said:
Yeah, I really don't get the play-calling... they could have managed the clock much better near the end of both the Montreal game and the game tonight...as well as before the half in the Calgary game when they botched a potential field-goal attempt. Every other team seems to understand the concept of getting out of bounds = free time out when the game is on the line.
As for how long Willy's leash is... this loss is definitely on the offense. By no means did Willy play well tonight, but personally I thought things really started to go south for the offensive unit as a whole when one of our O-linemen (I think it was Jermarcus Hardick) checked out with an injury.
We're not really talking about top level football minds in Shame-Town are we?
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36 minutes ago, tracker said:
I do not think there is any way that O'Shea is going to bench Willy, and the two will go down together like Ahab and his whale. O'Shea's devotion to his players will be his undoing but we fans will have to suffer through it.
In a proper football organization (governed by results) Willy's number would be up at around game 3 or last nite at the latest. In a market like Sask'n where he was only option (other than rubs) he'd get 6 to 8 games.
In an organization governed by discombobulated thinking and the covering up of organizational shame I think they'll extend the leash to 10 or 12 games - the latter if Willy can pull off 1 or 2 career outings in the next four games and 1 or 2 W's - that little ditty always buys inferior personnel (coaches or players) extra games.
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8 hours ago, Blueandgold said:
I don't want Tate, Lulay, Glenn or even Burris. No mediocre old has been or never was. A guy that I WOULD be willing to take a chance on however is James Franklin. He looks like he could be a real player in this league.
You'll have to fight Saskatchewan Corky for that guy!
How long is Willy's leash?
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I don't think it makes much diff whether Wade meddles in football ops or keeps selling tickets & advertising. None of the group of Miller, Walters, O'Shea have really distinguished themselves as quality football men. Earnest? Yes! Hard-Working? Probably, although questions now abound on the country club atmosphere during bomber training camp and practices. S
So nothing really new here. Lyle Bauer interfered all the time. Miller trained under Bauer. End of very short story!