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If Riders were over by a significant amount I could see your point but they were over be a rounding error in 2013 which is basically nothing. What speed limit do you drive at on a 100km/hr highway? Riders drove at about 100.1 km/hr.
It is when the Riders are the only team to over spend on a consistent basis. Considering the penalty is a fine it really is spending their way to the top. If it was wrong for Edmonton to do it back in the day when they had more money than the Riders it is just as wrong for the Riders to do it now that they actually have money. If Rider fans would simply accept that they're being hypocrites no one would care, but the fact that a lot of you try and justify it opens yourselves up to criticism.
I totally agree with the first part of your post, its the second part I disagree with. 100k is 2% of a 5 million dollar SMS. Drunken sailor is a bit of a stretch isn't it?
You keep missing the point. Iso has been around the CFL message boards for a long long time, so have I, so have many others, we all remember the screaming that Rider fans used to do about the Esks "cheating" by spending way more money than the Riders could afford and how unfair it was. Now the tables are turned and the Riders are the ones spending like drunken sailors without a care in the world about the cap and Rider fans rush to defend it at every chance. It's the fact that the fan base are being giant hypocrites that people here are pointing out nothing more nothing less.
Have you ever looked up the word cheat in the dictionary? Just wondering. What are the Riders doing that is not public information? You keep references a decade ago: are the riders secretly paying double or triple the payroll that the bombers are? Do you have any facts to back up your argument or are you just howling at the moon. If you want to discuss it, I'm all ears, if you just want to bash the riders go ahead its your site.That's what all Rider fans say. If they go over the cap just pay the fine so who cares? Yet, a decade ago the same Rider fans were crying the blues accusing other teams of spending too much & they couldn't compete so the SMS was brought in. Now, the perennial cheaters just pay the fine & it's alright. What a joke.
Wait wait wait... So you are telling us the riders have a problem with math? No way.. Tho I think i do recall hearing something about that before... Hmmm. What could it have been..
Are you refering to Kavis Reed? The man you guys hired as DC after the 09 GreyCup?
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That was many years ago, & just because there was a loud opposition to the Esks spending twice as much as other teams is irrelevent to today's fanbase. And you can call them a joke all you want, the fact are that the Riders are the monetary backbone of the CFL. Like Cohon said during GreyCup in Regina in '13, without the popularity of RiderNation there is no way the CFL would've had the bargaining power to demand the vastly improved TV deal with TSN. Did you ever wonder why TSN produced an NFL Films-like documentary on Grey Cup 2013 & nothing for the Stamps last year?
No other fan base was as vocal about how unfair it was that the Esks could spend their way to cups. The issue here is how Rider fans acted when it wasn't them doing it compared to how they act when they're the ones doing it. Joke of a fanbase plain and simple.So here's to say, what would be the reaction here if it was a different team who did this and that the fans tried to justify their mistake? It seems that it's never bad unless the Riders do it.
this is why everyone else laughs at you rider fans. so up your own asses it's not even funny.
Yeah Cohon was just crowing to his audience.
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Ah yes, it's all about the Riders. Nobody else matters. Greatest fans in the CFL since 2007. Forget the 2 telethons to keep the team afloat. Forget getting 20,000 people out to a game or 70% capacity. Show me a qualitative analysis of TV viewership, merchandise etc and get back to me.
Nobody said nobody else matters. Bombers have a great fanbase.
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That was many years ago, & just because there was a loud opposition to the Esks spending twice as much as other teams is irrelevent to today's fanbase. And you can call them a joke all you want, the fact are that the Riders are the monetary backbone of the CFL. Like Cohon said during GreyCup in Regina in '13, without the popularity of RiderNation there is no way the CFL would've had the bargaining power to demand the vastly improved TV deal with TSN. Did you ever wonder why TSN produced an NFL Films-like documentary on Grey Cup 2013 & nothing for the Stamps last year?
No other fan base was as vocal about how unfair it was that the Esks could spend their way to cups. The issue here is how Rider fans acted when it wasn't them doing it compared to how they act when they're the ones doing it. Joke of a fanbase plain and simple.So here's to say, what would be the reaction here if it was a different team who did this and that the fans tried to justify their mistake? It seems that it's never bad unless the Riders do it.
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Ah the annual off-season 'riders are cheating' circle jerk. Yawn.
Its not like its criticism for its own sake. Fair comment considering the Getzlaf and Dressler news.
Said it before and will keep saying : if you believe yourself to be the model franchise expect scrutiny and not constant praise.
Regarding Getzlaf, I wouldn't be surprised to see him traded to Ottawa for a high draft pic or two.
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Why stop there? Why not list the entire roster and point out all the loaded positions on the team? That's what you really want to do right? Homers gonna be homers.
Under the SMS you're never going to loaded at all positions.
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It is when the Riders are the only team to over spend on a consistent basis. Considering the penalty is a fine it really is spending their way to the top. If it was wrong for Edmonton to do it back in the day when they had more money than the Riders it is just as wrong for the Riders to do it now that they actually have money. If Rider fans would simply accept that they're being hypocrites no one would care, but the fact that a lot of you try and justify it opens yourselves up to criticism.
I totally agree with the first part of your post, its the second part I disagree with. 100k is 2% of a 5 million dollar SMS. Drunken sailor is a bit of a stretch isn't it?
You keep missing the point. Iso has been around the CFL message boards for a long long time, so have I, so have many others, we all remember the screaming that Rider fans used to do about the Esks "cheating" by spending way more money than the Riders could afford and how unfair it was. Now the tables are turned and the Riders are the ones spending like drunken sailors without a care in the world about the cap and Rider fans rush to defend it at every chance. It's the fact that the fan base are being giant hypocrites that people here are pointing out nothing more nothing less.
Have you ever looked up the word cheat in the dictionary? Just wondering. What are the Riders doing that is not public information? You keep references a decade ago: are the riders secretly paying double or triple the payroll that the bombers are? Do you have any facts to back up your argument or are you just howling at the moon. If you want to discuss it, I'm all ears, if you just want to bash the riders go ahead its your site.That's what all Rider fans say. If they go over the cap just pay the fine so who cares? Yet, a decade ago the same Rider fans were crying the blues accusing other teams of spending too much & they couldn't compete so the SMS was brought in. Now, the perennial cheaters just pay the fine & it's alright. What a joke.
If Riders were over by a significant amount I could see your point but they were over be a rounding error in 2013 which is basically nothing. What speed limit do you drive at on a 100km/hr highway? Riders drove at about 100.1 km/hr.
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ChickI'm fairness to the Riders it isn't like they have a crap load of talent in other areas of the team. I would be more upset if they had a loaded defense to go with the expensive receivers.
Forget not at one point we had Stegall Roberts Jones and other awesome receivers...
George
Emry
Brackenridge
Brown
Maze
Walker
Harris
Peters
Legree, etc
Defence is the least of the Riders worries.
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That has nothing to do with whether or not he has heard Taman's best offer.
Of course he can, but he would never sign anything while pursuing NFL.
I'm pretty sure Heenan can concentrate on the NFL and listen to what his agent is saying about offers from the Riders at the same time.
How do you know what Heenan has or hasn't seen? Heenan is concentrating on NFL right now.
When Taman was here he believed in his first offer also being his best offer, presumably to "wow" the player and get him to sign before the money goes to someone else and the offer is pulled. Why do you think Heenan hasn't already seen Taman's best offer and passed?How do you know the Riders are up against the cap when you don't have access to salaries? Taman said he will be aggressive on the 10th.
He likely has seen Taman's offer but is waiting it out b/c of the NFL. Just like Matt Odonnell did in Edm.
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How do you know what Heenan has or hasn't seen? Heenan is concentrating on NFL right now.
When Taman was here he believed in his first offer also being his best offer, presumably to "wow" the player and get him to sign before the money goes to someone else and the offer is pulled. Why do you think Heenan hasn't already seen Taman's best offer and passed?How do you know the Riders are up against the cap when you don't have access to salaries? Taman said he will be aggressive on the 10th.
I'm pretty sure Heenan can concentrate on the NFL and listen to what his agent is saying about offers from the Riders at the same time.
Of course he can, but he would never sign anything while pursuing NFL.
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Because they're already paying other players big bucks. But it's just a salary cap. The Riders can cheat, no biggie, right Rider fans?
Every team has players who make big bucks. Up until a couple days ago nobody had a clue that Getzlaf had a big contract, it's not a stretch to come to the conclusion that many other players across the league are paid top dollar like that without public knowledge.
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When Taman was here he believed in his first offer also being his best offer, presumably to "wow" the player and get him to sign before the money goes to someone else and the offer is pulled. Why do you think Heenan hasn't already seen Taman's best offer and passed?How do you know the Riders are up against the cap when you don't have access to salaries? Taman said he will be aggressive on the 10th.
How do you know what Heenan has or hasn't seen? Heenan is concentrating on NFL right now.
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How do you think the Stamps can pay for 2 starter quality QBs, Cornish, Hughes, Lewis, Federkeil, Wall, Raymond, McDaniel, Simpson, etc?
"WE'RE NOT CHEATING AS BADLY AS OTHERS CHEATED!!!11!!!"
Esk's payroll was two to three times what the other teams were paying. Comparing that to the current Riders spending less than 100k more than other teams is hilarious to say the least. How about the stamps paying Flutie one million a year, why don't we talk about that? Or the Argo with Rocket Ismail?When EDM did it in the dynasty days or any other team since like TOR that spent wildly it was called "unfair,unwise , evil and hurting the league".
When Riders do it they call it "building a winner".
don't ever change Rider fans, don't ever change.
I swear some think the Riders are the only team that commands their star players to be paid top dollar.
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When you have top players you have to pay them accordingly, you will see this when Willy's contract comes up after this season. Mtl finds a way to pay Cox, Green, Bourke, Bowman, Perrett, Stamps, Brown, etc top dollar, why can't the Riders?
1. Getzlaff reported salary $225,000
How do you know the Riders are up against the cap when you don't have access to salaries? Taman said he will be aggressive on the 10th.
So we grossly overpay. It's not like the Bombers are up against the cap like the Riders. I don't know about you but I'm tired of seeing our qbs being used for punching bags by other teams defensive linemen in the league. I don't care what they pay the guy to sign him. Just sign him.
There is no way we get Heenan. We would have to GROSSLY overpay for SK to let him go -- he's a local boy, old man is a Riderdouche, blah blah.So who are our targets in Free Agency? Heenan is a given, likely Rodgers and Bryant but who else?
He wants to go to the NFL. Or play in SK.
I would like to say take a huge run at him to get SK to burn a bunch of cap money to keep him, but they dont follow the cap anyway so whats the point?
I love the CFL and defend it up and down. But the way the cap is treated makes me think it needs a serious cleansing
2. Dressler reported salary $200,000
3. Watson reported salary $120,000
4. Labatte reported salary $200,000
5. Durant reportedly makes between $300,000 and $400,000.
That's five players making 1.05 and 1.15 million on a salary cap of 5 million. I didn't include Dressler's reported $200,000 bonus so 1.1 million to 1.35 million for 5 players.
20-27% of your cap tied up in five players. I didn't include NI vet starters like Emery and Best either. Can Taman afford to add $200,000-$250,000 for Heenan. Say you're adding $250,000 for Heenan. That could be 1.6 million tied up in 6 players or a third of your cap.
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So we grossly overpay. It's not like the Bombers are up against the cap like the Riders. I don't know about you but I'm tired of seeing our qbs being used for punching bags by other teams defensive linemen in the league. I don't care what they pay the guy to sign him. Just sign him.So who are our targets in Free Agency? Heenan is a given, likely Rodgers and Bryant but who else?
There is no way we get Heenan. We would have to GROSSLY overpay for SK to let him go -- he's a local boy, old man is a Riderdouche, blah blah.
He wants to go to the NFL. Or play in SK.
I would like to say take a huge run at him to get SK to burn a bunch of cap money to keep him, but they dont follow the cap anyway so whats the point?
I love the CFL and defend it up and down. But the way the cap is treated makes me think it needs a serious cleansing
How do you know the Riders are up against the cap when you don't have access to salaries? Taman said he will be aggressive on the 10th.
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Watson has missed 20 games out of 54 the past few years and has missed at least a third of the season each year. That doesn't include the games he was hurt in and left or didn't produce in. He appears to be a guy who is chronically injured. What are the docs in Regina going to do that wasn't done in Winnipeg? Have the Riders been better at rehabbing players?
Rob Bagg for example went from being chronically injured to being the only starting receiver to start every game last year. If the Riders can get 13-14 games out of Watson I think they'll be happy.
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Good trade for both teams. Watson if healthy can be a ratio beaker, it'll be interesting to see how he does with a change of scenery & new physiotherapists. It will also be interesting to see how the Bombers use those pics.
I wasn't aware out west they have physiotherapists with magical skills that the ones in Winnipeg don't have....
I never said they did. Just like changing doctors, sometimes you get different results. It'll be very interesting to see how Watson does.
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Good trade for both teams. Watson if healthy can be a ratio beaker, it'll be interesting to see how he does with a change of scenery & new physiotherapists. It will also be interesting to see how the Bombers use those pics.
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Most depth players are hovering around the league minimum salary so I don't understand you're argument. Fans want Walters to spend top dollar for Heenan (who is just an average Canadian Olineman in my opinion) & then chastise Taman when he spends top dollar on his top players. Sorry but that doesn't compute.You guys sound surprised that Taman is getting all these guys in under the cap? It should come as no surprise at all. In fact, I am willing to wager that he signs Heenan at some point for over 200k as well.
This, however, does not make the Riders a better team. Common sense would dictate that Heenan should shake free because cap pressure through the rest of the lineup. Most GMs would probably agree. Not Taman...not his style. He will spend copious amounts on his top 10 players and sacrifice further down the depth chart. The star players will play like stars but the Riders will lose because Bob La Janitor and Fred Le TowelBoi making league minimum will be starters, and there entire depth chart will be picked off the scrap pile or retirement villas of the league. Injuries will hit and the Riders will begin being decimated. The Riders will finish sub .500 and everyone will blame the vets for underperforming and a couple will be thrown under the bus or coaches will be fired, for not getting more out of the Safeway bag boys they had throughout the lineup. We have all seen this movie play out before in Winnipeg. Cripes, in 2008 we were getting beat like a rented mule but managed to put 6 players on the league Allstar team. How? Because we had zero depth on our team.
It sure appears that Taman is hell bent on not leaving any cap room for his depth. That is a good thing for the rest of the West.
Aren't you the one who said on the other site that there is no way Taman can re-sign all their top free agents? looks like they are doing exactly that.
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I don't understand how Bombers fans want their team to spend $250K+ on Heenan who's coming off a tough season & who's never been a west Allstar yet they question Getzlaf's contract who's the only active NI receiver who's had 2 1000 yard seasons & been an Allstar. So it's smarter to spend big money on potential rather than on top Canadian's who've already delivered? Odd.