The Unknown Poster Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 This seems like the best way to go. I'd make it from the day after the trade deadline. What's interesting is, it impacts those bottom teams because they will be more reluctant to just sell off the farm to tank. They will have to measure winning versus trading away players that can bring them a return for the future. The only issue is it doesnt address the point of the draft, to help out the worst teams. In this model the worst team doesnt get the best pick (or best odds). But you look at this year where Edmonton (who is mind-numbing in how they are in last place after drafting first for what seems like a decade) and Toronto who clearly went into tank mode, versus a team like the Jets who are actually playing decent and trying to win but could still use help in the draft and should be rewarded for not trying to lose any year of their existence (in Winnipeg). Mr Dee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 It's actually a spin on an idea that Shane Doan had: When a team is mathematically eliminated, the role is reversed and they need to earn as many points as possible before the end of the season. Whoever earns the most after being mathematically eliminated gets the improved odds or whatever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Noeller said: It's actually a spin on an idea that Shane Doan had: When a team is mathematically eliminated, the role is reversed and they need to earn as many points as possible before the end of the season. Whoever earns the most after being mathematically eliminated gets the improved odds or whatever... teams are eliminated at different points though. Doesnt this effectively mean all non-playoff teams draft in reverse order? It rewards the teams that just miss the playoffs. It doesnt help teams that truly suck. Edited April 5, 2016 by The Unknown Poster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrg Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said: But you look at this year where Edmonton (who is mind-numbing in how they are in last place after drafting first for what seems like a decade) It's all because of Dallas Eakins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrg Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 1 hour ago, The Unknown Poster said: teams are eliminated at different points though. Doesnt this effectively mean all non-playoff teams draft in reverse order? It rewards the teams that just miss the playoffs. It doesnt help teams that truly suck. There is no perfect system. There will be no perfect system. It's okay for the pundits to let a season go by without complaining about the system being flawed. How would people react if the Penguins had been able to add McJesus to their roster, or if the Hawks go on to win their 4th cup in 6 years and then draft Matthews. Most of the changes suggested will only make the system worse. Most of the teams at the bottom of the standings simply aren't very good. And the draft is designed to help them. How the Oilers have wasted so many years and opportunities is beyond me. Not really. Kevin Lowe is terrible at his job. sweep the leg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 I said earlier it would be a good idea to trade our 2nd this year and next and Chicago's 1st this year to move up for a second top 10 pick. Throw in Staf too and get a 7-10 pick. Getting Chychrun and Tkachuk would be almost too much to hope for. Some say Chychrun is ready for the NHL now and most think Tkachuk is only one year away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Realistically, who is going to trade a top 10 pick for a late first and early second? Would you make that trade if you were wearing the other GM hat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted April 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 (edited) Current Standings - Apr 5 - 2248 EDM - 67 TOR - 67 CBJ - 70 CAL - 73 VAN - 73 WPG - 74 Tonight's Winners: Tonight's Losers: CAL +1 , WPG +2 Remaining games TOR - CBJ , PHI , NJ CBJ - TOR , BUF , CHI WPG - SJ , LA EDM - VAN , VAN CAL - VAN , MIN VAN - EDM, CAL , EDM Edited April 6, 2016 by FrostyWinnipeg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Impossible to finish last or 2nd last now. Actually think that was obvious a while ago. 5th or 6th last seems likely now. See what happens with the lottery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bustamente Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 As Herm Edwards would say "you play to win the game" , really had no chance to finish last or even close to last all we have is are we lucky enough to win the lottery. on the flip side with so many young players playing i don't want them in a losing environment., we may not get the best player in the draft but we still will draft a very good player who hopefully by the time he is ready to join the jets we have a winning team that make the playoffs year after year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Maybe the Jets take that LHD man that they desperately need. Sergachev Chychrun Juolevi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 if Matthews and Tkachuk are gone I'd say grab the D man. I don't know much about the Finns available. If they are Jarvenpaa grade then yeah, I am on board. IC Khari 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted April 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Puljujarvi or Chychrun will be available when its our turn. Predicting early I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 (edited) Puljujarvi will probably go 3rd so unless the Jets are picking 3rd, I doubt it. Chychrun actually might fall and I'm not sure I'd take him if he did, He's a guy that I'll just leave to the scouts to judge, they get to talk to him, I don't, something is off there tho, Tkachuk could go anywhere from 4th to 10th probably, depending on the needs of the teams who are picking in front of us.. If the Jets are picking let's just say 5th or 6th, I still think they get a top 3 pick, i just feel the lottery gods will reward the non tanking teams and teams like the Jets and that will pick higher than the Oilers and Leafs.. but let's just say 5th or 6th.... They should have a choice of Tkachuk, Dubois,Chychrun,Serg,Juolevi. Whoever they feel has the highest ceiling and it wouldn't actually shock me if they passed on the D and took Tkachuk. Then Take a D with Chicagos pick and our 2nd, cuz they won't be trading up, cuz no team will trade down. Edited April 6, 2016 by Goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 http://www.tsn.ca/priority-no-1-for-every-canadian-team-1.465748 WINNIPEG Priority One: Maturation Scoop: The Winnipeg Jets probably don’t get enough acknowledgement for being such a young team. They entered the year with the fourth youngest lineup based on average age (ahead of only Edmonton, Buffalo and Tampa Bay). It was the main reason for their undoing. They’re even younger now without Andrew Ladd. GM Kevin Cheveldayoff has a lot of the pieces in place already. Mark Scheifele, 23, has blossomed into a No. 1 centre with 27 goals. Nik Ehlers racked up 35 points as a 19-year-old. Jacob Trouba, 21, and Tyler Myers, 25, can anchor the backend for years to come. And Connor Hellebuyck, 22, will be asked to take the reins in net next year. The Jets don’t really need to add much more, they just need time and room to grow. The problem is that isn’t a luxury in the ultra-competitive Central Division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 (edited) Well, that's just dead wrong. Their undoing was way simpler than that... It's obvious, I'm not sure how they missed it... Top 10 possession team, That's very good.. Right up there with the LA's of the world... Difference? PAV and Hutch sucked to start the year, our PK sucked and our PP is dead last.. It's not an age issue, it's a goaltending and special teams issue. So basically, it's goaltending and coaching. Age has nothing to do with any of that. Jets are a very good 5 on 5 team and what you've seen recently is when they don't take as many penalties, they start to win games, goalies have played well recently also, they have started winning, It's not about the age of the team, That's a quite frankly, BULLSHIT weak excuse, it's the PP, it's the PK and it's well below league average goaltending for a long long stretch of the season, the only team their goalie ac tually posted league average numbers was when Helle was called up. Edited April 6, 2016 by Goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 I agree @Goalie not sure where the writer got that from. Its not like we're a rookie team. Ladd for most of the year, Wheeler, Little, Buff, Enstrom. We had maturity. If he meant we struggled because of adding youth and giving them a chance to develop, I could at least accept that to a degree. But our #1 priority to address at th draft is maturity? So we're going to draft a 28 year old pro veteran? Sounds like someone didnt know anything about the Jets and decided not to bother. Jets arent far from competing. I actually think it will be a quick turnaround, a "flick the switch" scenario. Might not be next season but I think they go from struggling to win to suddenly winning a lot. The lights will all come on at the same time. As you said, Special Teams and goaltending is the issue here. If Helle's limited stats remained consistent throughout a full season and we played even strength every game, we're in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted April 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 We're only going to get younger. Connor will take someones job. Our #1 pick this year likely to make the club ESPECIALLY if it's Chychrun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 I honestly don't see the Jets taking Chychrun. They like high character guys with strong work ethic and hockey smarts, I'm not sure that applies to Chychrun. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to learn they have Sergachev rated higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted April 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 (edited) LHD top priority isn't it? Edited April 6, 2016 by FrostyWinnipeg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 3 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: LHD top priority isn't it. Best Player Available. Which depends on how True North rates them. Scheif wasnt considered the BPA at the time but he was to the Jets. I think Ehlers was consensus BPA, wasnt he? Same with Connor who was a surprise to still be there? When you get below the obvious BPA, take the best player that helps you. Im not sure if that's the Jets first pick or Chicago's. Might be BPA with the Jets and Best for their need with Chi's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Always take BPA. Most of these players are years away from playing in the NHL, especially defensemen. Who knows what your needs will be down the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted April 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) Current Standings - Apr 7 - 0030 TOR - 67 EDM - 69 CBJ - 72 VAN - 73 CAL - 73 WPG - 74 Tonight's Winners - TORonto can do no worse then 29th after tonight's loss. Tonight's Losers - CBJ +2 , EDM +2 Remaining games TOR - PHI , NJ EDM - VAN CBJ - BUF , CHI VAN - CAL , EDM CAL - VAN , MIN WPG - SJ , LA Edited April 7, 2016 by FrostyWinnipeg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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