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Regardless of how much plastic put in recycling actually gets recycled, throwing something in the recycling is not really the answer. Sure we feel good about it, but its still using petrochemicals and even if recycled is still using energy to turn into new products. We really need to use less plastic. I believe big oil is fine with recycling as it puts the responsibility on the consumer rather than the industry and they can pat themselves on the back saying they are environmentally responsible and defend their industry while tons of plastic ends up in waterways, our food and our bodies.

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10 hours ago, WildPath said:

Regardless of how much plastic put in recycling actually gets recycled, throwing something in the recycling is not really the answer. Sure we feel good about it, but its still using petrochemicals and even if recycled is still using energy to turn into new products. We really need to use less plastic. I believe big oil is fine with recycling as it puts the responsibility on the consumer rather than the industry and they can pat themselves on the back saying they are environmentally responsible and defend their industry while tons of plastic ends up in waterways, our food and our bodies.

Agreed that recycling is not THE answer- it is part of the answer. Other measures need to be in place- for example, in Europe, one chain of stores has installed equipment that allows people to refill their own containers with shampoo and conditioner for a great deal cheaper. This and other yet to be discovered means will help. but manufacturers have to do their part.

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3 hours ago, Mark F said:

there isnt a single fact or statistic in that press release. 

 

here are some facts.

https://www.epa.gov/facts-and-figures-about-materials-waste-and-recycling/plastics-material-specific-data

on to the next topic.

 

No facts or statistics?  What is the 80.3% recycling recovery rate?  A random number? 

Why is it always American data that you come up with?  Is that somehow more factual?

I would advise to take a look at recycling here in Manitoba.

Yes, on to the next topic.  

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On 2021-10-10 at 3:21 PM, Mark H. said:

It is beyond stupid to state that our own footprints don"t make a dent. Corporations do not exist in vacuum. 

They sort of do when they get to play by their own rules, don't pay their fair share in taxes, and get ridiculous subsidies within their operating jurisdictions to keep those profits ridiculously high (often to support shareholders who are already very well off). It's not at all dissimilar to oil companies who have contributed to pollution via emissions and destruction of the environment/ecosystems while benefitting from corporate socialism to continue hoarding wealth.

An individual's personal footprint can and should not be ignored and that no doubt speaks to a broader issue regarding our consumption habits, rampant consumerism, poor infrastructure/systems related to recycling, and other societal factors. However, exorbitantly wealthy corporate entities can and should be leading the charge. The top polluters in the world consist of large multinational corporations motivated by nothing more than greed, and in a similar vein to oil companies, they often commit to empty words and promises to be better. But things are only getting worse and are projected to continue worsening into the near future.

https://www.minderoo.org/plastic-waste-makers-index/news/revealed-businesses-and-banks-behind-global-plastic-waste-crisis/

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Twenty companies are the source of half of all single-use plastic thrown away globally. ExxonMobil tops the list – contributing 5.9 million tonnes to global plastic waste – closely followed by US chemicals company Dow and China’s Sinopec. One hundred companies are behind 90 per cent of global single-use plastic production.

Close to 60 per cent of the commercial finance funding single-use production comes from just 20 global banks. A total of US$30 billion of loans from these institutions – including Barclays, HSBC and Bank of America among others – has gone to the sector since 2011.

Twenty asset managers – led by US companies Vanguard Group, BlackRock and Capital Group – hold over US$300 billion worth of shares in the parent companies of single-use plastic polymer producers. Of this, US$10 billion is directly linked to single-use polymer production.

A 30 per cent increase in global throwaway plastic production is projected over the next five years;

This growth in production will lead to an extra three trillion items of throwaway plastic waste by 2025 alone;

Recycled plastic or feedstocks account for no more than 2 per cent of global single-use plastic production, meaning 98 per cent of these plastics are produced from fuels;

Plastic producers score woefully in a best practice assessment of the move to circular-based forms of production necessary in addressing the crisis;

The global economic downturn caused by the coronavirus pandemic pushed down the price of oil, making fossil-fuel-based single-use plastics even more financially attractive.

 

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Government won't stop large corporations, and they certainly won't stop themselves. The only think that will slow them down is consumers using less of their products.  

Take the whole beanie baby craze as just one example of rampant consumerism - absolutely ridiculous. 

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https://phys.org/news/2021-10-humans-climate.html

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More than 99.9% of peer-reviewed scientific papers agree that climate change is mainly caused by humans, according to a new survey of 88,125 climate-related studies.

The research updates a similar 2013 paper revealing that 97% of studies published between 1991 and 2012 supported the idea that human activities are altering Earth's climate. The current survey examines the literature published from 2012 to November 2020 to explore whether the consensus has changed.

"We are virtually certain that the consensus is well over 99% now and that it's pretty much case closed for any meaningful public conversation about the reality of human-caused climate change," said Mark Lynas, a visiting fellow at the Alliance for Science at Cornell University and the paper's first author.

"It's critical to acknowledge the principal role of greenhouse gas emissions so that we can rapidly mobilize new solutions, since we are already witnessing in real time the devastating impacts of climate related disasters on businesses, people and the economy," said Benjamin Houlton, Dean of the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences at Cornell and a co-author of the study, "Greater than 99% Consensus on Human Caused Climate Change in the Peer-Reviewed Scientific Literature," which published Oct. 19 in the journal Environmental Research Letters.

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22 hours ago, blue_gold_84 said:

Wrong. The PPC site says so...🙄

 

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It is an undisputed fact that the world’s climate has always changed and will continue to change. Until twelve thousand years ago, much of Canada was under ice, and it is thanks to natural climate change that we can live here today.

There is however no scientific consensus on the theory that CO2 produced by human activity is causing dangerous global warming today or will in the future, and that the world is facing environmental catastrophes unless these emissions are drastically reduced. Many renowned scientists continue to challenge this theory.

 

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Speaking of dingbats: https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-murphy-on-climate-change-the-cbc-has-crossed-the-line-from-news-agency-to-pmo-mouthpiece

It's laughable to see this bitter pile of bones decry the credibility or integrity of anyone else considering he's been batting for big oil and denying climate change for years. 

6 minutes ago, WildPath said:

You'd have to think Bernier knows better and says BS like that to gather more followers and enrage the ones he already has.. The idea that humans are harming the planet is very convenient to ignore.

I'd love to hear some stories from his time as our foreign affairs minister.

Here's a gooder: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/bernier-quits-cabinet-post-over-security-breach-1.723124

 

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2 hours ago, WildPath said:

You'd have to think Bernier knows better and says BS like that to gather more followers and enrage the ones he already has.. The idea that humans are harming the planet is very convenient to ignore.

I'd love to hear some stories from his time as our foreign affairs minister.

In the media, this is called "throwing red meat".

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7 hours ago, blue_gold_84 said:

Familiar with that one, what I want to know is what isn't known publicly. I don't know if he was as wacky as he is now, but I'd imagine foreign diplomats would have some stories. Similar to the stories they must have after dealing with Trump.

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17 hours ago, WildPath said:

Familiar with that one, what I want to know is what isn't known publicly. I don't know if he was as wacky as he is now, but I'd imagine foreign diplomats would have some stories. Similar to the stories they must have after dealing with Trump.

Quite telling that Harper thought highly enough of Bernier to appoint him to such a prestigious post. 

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