The Unknown Poster Posted October 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 @craigsmorgan: Shane Doan has three points (G, 2 As) tonight. Now within 27 points of Dale Hawerchuk for the franchise all-time lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 What's with Blue Jackets? I thought they were pegged to be a good team this season. Everyone did... sounds like they believed it too and haven't really been playing as hard as they can. They are a good team but... if they don't play hard they won't win. Looks to me like they believed their own hype too much. Opposite of the Jets. Lots of people.. media.. overlook them so they play with a chip on their shoulders to prove people wrong. Columbus believed the hype too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 @craigsmorgan: Shane Doan has three points (G, 2 As) tonight. Now within 27 points of Dale Hawerchuk for the franchise all-time lead. This is a horrible horrible thing. The Unknown Poster, Noeller and Ducky 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 @craigsmorgan: Shane Doan has three points (G, 2 As) tonight. Now within 27 points of Dale Hawerchuk for the franchise all-time lead. This is a horrible horrible thing. It's a joke and everyone knows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 @craigsmorgan: Shane Doan has three points (G, 2 As) tonight. Now within 27 points of Dale Hawerchuk for the franchise all-time lead. This is a horrible horrible thing. Give the guy credit, Stuck with the same franchise his entire career. Arguably the worst franchise ever. too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 @craigsmorgan: Shane Doan has three points (G, 2 As) tonight. Now within 27 points of Dale Hawerchuk for the franchise all-time lead. This is a horrible horrible thing. Give the guy credit, Stuck with the same franchise his entire career. Arguably the worst franchise ever. too. 20 years wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Hawerchuk got those points in less than 10 seasons. I don't think Chiarot will ever be a 1st paring D man but I was hoping for a 2nd pairing. They way he was playing, he was hurting the team. I hope he plays better when he makes the lineup again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 It was the 80's, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Blue&Gold Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Hawerchuk got those points in less than 10 seasons. I don't think Chiarot will ever be a 1st paring D man but I was hoping for a 2nd pairing. They way he was playing, he was hurting the team. I hope he plays better when he makes the lineup again. How does Chiarot go from being one of the best players in the preseason (according to the coaches) to being a team liability to start the regular season? He's only been in 3 games so far. The one loss to the Isles he was a + player, unlike Myers and Enstrom. If you're going to shine the light on Chiarot be fair and look at Buff's play as well. His fine play against the Flames doesn't make me forget his game against the Isles. Do I think Chiarot will be a top pair D man, probably not anytime soon but we don't need him to be right now. Do you have specific examples as to where Chiarot has been hurting the team? Not being a !@#$ just genuinely curious since I've only been able to listen to the recent games not watch them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted October 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 I'm not sure anyone expects him to be a top pairing. He will get back in and be fine. Anyone paired with Buff has the challenge of not only taking care of their own business was making sure buff's is taken care of too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Chiarot just didn't look the same in the games he played, guess he was playing a little banged up... since he's still out of the lineup. Would explain why he didn't look as good in the regular season as he did in the pre-season. Banged up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 |He is giving the puck away in his zone too often...not sure what game it was but he gave it away twice in the same playin his zone and the Jets were scored on....his overall play isn't up to the preseason or last year for that matter. I'm not saying give up on him or anything but his paly needs to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 It was against the NYI where the whole team looked bad but Chiarot didn't look good and hasn't played since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Toby is our only good LHD man. Exactly...who would our starting LHD be? I am a big supporter of Chiarot and before the season started I was very impressed with Chiarot but since it started, his game has been sub-par at best. trade Buff to Blue Jackets for Jack Johnson, a top 4 LHD. Im not overly familiar with JJ other than some seem to hate him a lot and others only seem to hate him a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Not enough Goalie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Jackets would want Jack Roslovic who is from Columbus and is the type of player that would be a marketing dream there. To consider Roslovic, we'd need something serious coming back the other way. So, Buff + Roslovic for Jack Johnson (who is under contract through 17/18). Not sure who else they have I'd want other than their first round pick and maybe Rychel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Ryan Johansen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Why would we trade roslovic tho. We just drafted him. Buff to Jackets for 1st and Rychel is a starting point. No to Jack Johnson. If they want Roslovic they are adding ryan Murray. No need to trade a guy we just drafted. Lol at thinking we'd be the one adding to get Johnson. Ducky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Who said we'd add to get Johnson? Ken Wiebe @WiebeSunSports Source says #NHLJets D Jacob Trouba not expected to have phone hearing for hit on #stlblues F Troy Brouwer.No supplemental discipline likely Surprised by this as that elbow was a nasty piece of business. If thats the line for no discipline (and no penalty), then watch out, cause there will be some serious elbows thrown out this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 More forearm than elbow imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Which coach gets fired first? Interesting speculation from Lawless about the Ducks: Winning the Stanley Cup trumps all in the NHL. Egos, bad blood and petty differences get set aside by teams that win. The pursuit of championships sometimes makes for odd marriages, which is why Randy Carlyle returning to coach the Anaheim Ducks isn't as crazy as it sounds. The Ducks have one win after five games and GM Bob Murray is reportedly considering a change. For a team many experts pegged as Stanley Cup favourites it's been a disastrous start. Head coach Bruce Boudreau is in trouble, however, Sunday's win over the Minnesota Wild has backed the pressure off for the time being. It's only five games and Murray isn't this impatient. Boudreau will get some more games to try and turn things around. Perhaps it's just early bad puck luck. The Ducks are a top-10 team in possession. Boudreau isn't a dead Duck just yet. But the fact Murray was contemplating a change prior to Sunday's win is evidence Boudreau has little room for error. Successive playoff failures have the organization questioning if Boudreau is the man to get them another Stanley Cup. This isn't about Boudreau being a bad coach. It's about anything less than a Stanley Cup this season being considered a failure in Anaheim. They'll do whatever they must as an organization to achieve a title. Which brings us to Carlyle, the only coach to ever raise a Stanley Cup banner in Anaheim. Murray runs the Ducks and Dave Nonis holds the title special assignment scout and consultant to general manager. They've both fired Carlyle in their days as GMs. They also have immense respect for him as a coach and know what he's capable of behind the bench. If they make a change in Anaheim, Carlyle will most definitely be part of the discussion. Murray has in-house solutions such as assistant coaches Trent Yawney and Paul MacLean. The question with both those candidates, however, is are they Stanley Cup-calibre coaches? Maybe. But until you've done it the question hangs over your head and Ducks ownership likely isn't interested in a maybe right now. They're looking for a sure thing. So are the players. If a change does indeed occur, the players will want to know the next message is proven and has pedigree. For the Ducks, at this juncture of their franchise curve, this isn't the time to give someone a chance. This is seize the moment time. Bring in a hitter and let and him start swinging. Carlyle isn't the only Stanley Cup-winning coach without a gig in the NHL. John Tortorella has been tabbed to coach Team USA at the World Cup next summer but is otherwise disengaged. Tortorella likely needs the Team USA work to sanitize him from the mess that was his tenure with the Vancouver Canucks. He's going to work again in the NHL, but handing him a Stanley Cup contender at this point seems a little rushed. Marc Crawford is an interesting name but he doesn't have an in-season out clause in his contract with Zurich in the Swiss League. Crawford has proven capable of driving a team hard enough to win and in his time away from the NHL appears to have added dimension to his approach. He's getting excellent reviews for his handling of phenom Auston Matthews and has been to the final in two of his three years in Zurich, winning once. Crawford too will get another NHL job, just not this year. It might make sense, depending on the destination, for him to come home with Matthews when he's selected next summer as the No. 1 pick. Carlyle came very close to getting the San Jose Sharks job this past off-season before losing out to Pete DeBoer. His work in Toronto, getting the most from a very tired roster, was vindicated after his departure. The Leafs were a playoff team when they fired him and then came entirely apart in his absence. A lot was wrong in Toronto last year but it wasn't the coach. The window is open for the Ducks. They don't necessarily need Mr. Right. It's Mr. Right Now who must next walk into that dressing room. There's precedent for a coach returning to a place from where he's been fired. Think Billy Martin and the New York Yankees, Paul Maurice and the Carolina Hurricanes or Michel Therrien and the Montreal Canadiens to name a few. Carlyle isn't easy on an organization. He likes things done a certain way and there's no grey area. It's either right or it's wrong and there's hell to pay when it's the latter. From the training staff to the players to the P.R. department, he can be thorny. He demands a high standard of everyone involved and he's not much of a politician. He can be caustic and cutting. But there aren't many better bench managers in the game. Carlyle knows how to handle a veteran group and how to get the most out of a lineup. Four key members of the Ducks - Getzlaf, Perry, Ryan Kesler and Kevin Bieksa - have all had success with Carlyle. Getzlaf and Perry won a Stanley Cup with him and Kesler and Bieksa skated for Carlyle in the AHL with a strong Manitoba Moose club. According to legend, Getzlaf and Perry grew tired of Carlyle during his previous stint with the Ducks. They won a Stanley Cup with him as rookies but a few seasons later they were superstars and not interested in the day-in and day-out grind of playing for Carlyle. But it's been nine years since they last won a title and they're in their 30s. The opportunities to win again are diminishing. Would they take another dose of Carlyle in order to win? Absolutely. "Randy's great at running a bench. To me that was his niche. He was great at being involved in the game and knowing what matchups he wanted and keeping them," Getzlaf told me last spring during the first round of the Stanley Cup playoffs. "I've been away from him for a while. When I was young, he did a great job at keeping us accountable. He taught me a lot when I was young." The Ducks don't need a coach to grow with their group. They need a boss that can come in and get them over the top. Carlyle is in many ways a perfect fit. There are some intangibles that stand in the way. Carlyle is a proud man and getting fired by Murray stung. They had been peers for a long time. First as players and then in hockey ops with both the Vancouver Canucks and Ducks. They won together. And then they fell out. Nonis could play an interesting role in putting together a match between Murray and Carlyle. It was just last season when Nonis, then Leafs GM, fired Carlyle under duress. Nonis knew what ailed Toronto wasn't at the coaching level. But he needed to make a move to try and save his own job. That's hockey sometimes. Great game, crappy business. Nonis knows what Carlyle can do as a coach and might be the perfect voice to remind Murray of those skills. Murray signed an aging Kesler to a six-year, $41.25-million contract this past summer knowing it wasn't a good contract. Kesler won't be a $7 million player for much longer but that's not the point. Murray had the cap space and the need to keep Kesler in order to try and win now. So he made the deal. If Murray thinks Carlyle can win with the Ducks lineup, he won't blink. Carlyle can likely think of better situations than working for two guys that have previously clipped him, but the chance to get back in the NHL and have an immediate chance at a second Cup would be reason enough for him to get over whatever bruises remain on his ego. The only question for the Ducks to ask themselves is how do they win. Maybe it's Boudreau. But if it isn't, there may not be a better answer than Carlyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 More forearm than elbow imo Yeah more of a glancing forearm, an elbow would of knocked him out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Not sure it warrants a suspension but no need for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 No suspension for trouba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted October 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 The Blackhawks were already thin along the blue line, but now will have to manage without their best defenseman for the next several weeks. Duncan Keith will be out 4-6 weeks after having surgery to repair a meniscal tear in his right knee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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