Goalie Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Should Veltung if healthy go in for Stoudamire and if Daniels is injured who replaces him. As for Tracy i'm surprised MOS hasn't already turfed him Tough to tell on TV but Stoudemire gets no help. It's him vs 3 or 4 the second the ball arrives. Veltung wouldn't do much better. As for Daniels maybe Lewis from the PR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Stoudemire hesitates too long, runs back to much and makes some bad decisions. He ran into the tackler on one play, like ran right up to him versus trying to get outside to the right. James and blitzmore 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Guess when it's you vs 3 or 4 guys everytime you try to do too much. Mark F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 He kick off returns were also poor tonight, he does seem to be hesitating a lot this year. blitzmore and James 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpan85 Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Yeah multiple times tonight there were 3 Argos and no blockers to be seen around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Kick offs were fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deflated balls Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 I'd take Veltung in a heartbeat. I've seen enough of the poor decision making and east-west returns...... blitzmore, Fraser and James 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J5V Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Special Teams is not good. No blocking help for Stoudemire at all. 1 vs 3 or 4 most times. Cost us a TD today too. Still think the Kohlert fumble was the nail in the coffin tho The Kohlert fumble was bad but we were already losing at that point anyway. Final nail in the coffin, for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Special teams TD was the killer. Can't have these breakdowns every week. Can't have em dammit!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Special Teams is not good. No blocking help for Stoudemire at all. 1 vs 3 or 4 most times. Cost us a TD today too. Still think the Kohlert fumble was the nail in the coffin tho The Kohlert fumble was bad but we were already losing at that point anyway. Final nail in the coffin, for sure. Kohlert was stretching for the first down, and although I didn't like the result, I can't fault the effort. That sort of thing is going to happen when you push. The kick return is what killed us, but the O-line once again just wasn't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBURGESS Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Close games come down to a few plays. The 70 yard punt return and the missed TD to a wide open Demark on the first set of downs are a 14 point swing that we couldn't overcome. Stuff happens. The real worry IMO is the fact that we self destruct when we make mistakes. We fumble on the next set of downs after the punt return. Then we turn it over on downs the next time we get the ball. Then we try to get cute on 3rd and 1 and turn it over on downs again.That's 3 turnovers in about 5 minutes. Can't do that if we want to be a .500 or better club. Atomic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzmore Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Close games come down to a few plays. The 70 yard punt return and the missed TD to a wide open Demark on the first set of downs are a 14 point swing that we couldn't overcome. Stuff happens. The real worry IMO is the fact that we self destruct when we make mistakes. We fumble on the next set of downs after the punt return. Then we turn it over on downs the next time we get the ball. Then we try to get cute on 3rd and 1 and turn it over on downs again.That's 3 turnovers in about 5 minutes. Can't do that if we want to be a .500 or better club. More than that, we would have been up by two td's if not for the holding call on Greaves. In my opinion the roughing the kicker call should not have been, as the bomber player was blocked into the kicker. I realize they had to kick anyway, but it was a fresh set of downs and more time on the field for the defence on a very hot night. But the real killer was the return, then the fumble then two two and outs. Toronto though has been very adept at coming back from deficits in the 4th quarter of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan007 Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 You can't fire everyone, so you get rid of Pat Tracey since MOS can deal with that role, and bring in a consultant for the Offence to help out MB. Then Walters needs to get him and his guys into gear and find us some cast off talent from the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Last time we brought in a consultant to help the OC we got stuck with MB so lets not go there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan007 Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Last time we brought in a consultant to help the OC we got stuck with MB so lets not go there So you would have rather us had Crowton stay on as OC? At least with MB we got a mediocre OC instead of a shitty one. If you can bring in someone better then MB as a consultant, it can't hurt. And you don't have to keep him. Montreal brought in Garcia as a consultant and he didn't stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Guys that don't have jobs when both pro leagues are in full swing are coaches that are not worth it, no it's better to stay as is and then clean house at the end of the year. Again blueandgoldguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Close games come down to a few plays. The 70 yard punt return and the missed TD to a wide open Demark on the first set of downs are a 14 point swing that we couldn't overcome. Stuff happens. The real worry IMO is the fact that we self destruct when we make mistakes. We fumble on the next set of downs after the punt return. Then we turn it over on downs the next time we get the ball. Then we try to get cute on 3rd and 1 and turn it over on downs again.That's 3 turnovers in about 5 minutes. Can't do that if we want to be a .500 or better club. The final turnover I don't put too much stock into, that was a desperation play that didn't work because the Argos D started to blow up the Bombers OL in the 2nd half of the game, but the kick return was a huge mistake and the fumble on the next series was the dagger in the heart. This team needs to work on it's mental toughness and ability to rebound from errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Can't keep firing coaches every 2 years. Just can't. OC can go and sp teams coach but the rest shouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Stoudemire has been awful since his return, he hasn't even been close to breaking one or even looks capable of doing it, not sure what has happened to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Stoudemire has been awful since his return, he hasn't even been close to breaking one or even looks capable of doing it, not sure what has happened to him. He's trying to take it to the house every kick. Watch him he always tries to get outside, when he does get past the first wave he's always slowing down looking for that huge lane. I'd rather see him just catch the ball and run full speed ahead and get whatever you can. To me there's more chance of busting one doing that if your guys get their blocks than looking for the perfect hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-F-F-C Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 I'm still a fan of Mike O'Shea and believe he deserves more time to right the ship. He just needs to be surrounded by the best coaches available due to his inexperience. Plus I don't know of an assistant coach out there that I'd rather have as a head coach. CodyT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan007 Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Guys that don't have jobs when both pro leagues are in full swing are coaches that are not worth it, no it's better to stay as is and then clean house at the end of the year. Again Kind of like how Jeff Garcia wasn't available for the Al's last year? Oh no, wait. He was. And now he's an assistant OC in the NFL. do or die 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Guys that don't have jobs when both pro leagues are in full swing are coaches that are not worth it, no it's better to stay as is and then clean house at the end of the year. Again Kind of like how Jeff Garcia wasn't available for the Al's last year? Oh no, wait. He was. And now he's an assistant OC in the NFL. Garcia was still thinking about playing last year. That was a pretty unique circumstance. So unique that it's not even worthwhile to try to use to make an argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbill2004 Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 I think O'Shea will get one more offseason of coordinator firings (Bellefeuille and Tracy), before O'Shea is let go himself. GMs usually get one head coach firing before they are under the microscope, so Walters is likely around for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueandgoldguy Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Last time we brought in a consultant to help the OC we got stuck with MB so lets not go there So you would have rather us had Crowton stay on as OC? At least with MB we got a mediocre OC instead of a shitty one. If you can bring in someone better then MB as a consultant, it can't hurt. And you don't have to keep him. Montreal brought in Garcia as a consultant and he didn't stay. That seems to be the problem with the organization. They seem satisfied with mediocrity like it's some kind of major accomplishment. Hey MB might be one of the worst, or possibly the worst OC in the league, but at least he's better than Crowton! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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