Rich Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 I actually have concerns with Petan after watching a couple of Moose games. There is no doubt the guy has incredible puck skills, but he really lacks high end speed. I would have hoped / expected that at the AHL level a small guy like that would have noticeable speed compared to the rest of the competition. But he doesn't. He looks average out there. Someone of his size typically needs something to make up for his lack of size in the NHL, and for the smaller guys who make it, it is usually speed to avoid checks, to skate away from the competition. He doesn't seem to have it. Jury is still out for sure. I'm not writing him off completely, but it is concerning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Pop Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 43 minutes ago, Rich said: I actually have concerns with Petan after watching a couple of Moose games. There is no doubt the guy has incredible puck skills, but he really lacks high end speed. I would have hoped / expected that at the AHL level a small guy like that would have noticeable speed compared to the rest of the competition. But he doesn't. He looks average out there. Someone of his size typically needs something to make up for his lack of size in the NHL, and for the smaller guys who make it, it is usually speed to avoid checks, to skate away from the competition. He doesn't seem to have it. Jury is still out for sure. I'm not writing him off completely, but it is concerning. I know this has been discussed at length already, but how much does the Moose lousyness affect individual, particularly young players? From reports I'd read in the past, Armia was really struggling down there at times. Then up here, put him on a line with some skill and BOOM - clear evidence of 1st rd skill, no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 10, 2016 Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 5 minutes ago, Jimmy Pop said: I know this has been discussed at length already, but how much does the Moose lousyness affect individual, particularly young players? From reports I'd read in the past, Armia was really struggling down there at times. Then up here, put him on a line with some skill and BOOM - clear evidence of 1st rd skill, no doubt. It isn't lack of production or points that concerns me. It is lack of break away speed to get away from the pack. He can get caught from behind That has nothing to do with the rest of the team. BTW, He scored a really nice OT goal at the game I was at last weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted February 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2016 The knock on him after h is size is is skating. Amazing hands and a good PP performer but if he is up against the NHL players, he is slow. I honestly can't see hi m pushing anyone out of the top six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted March 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 The 2016-2017 starting lineup we're likely to see... (lines and D pairings in no order) Ehlers Little Wheeler Connor Scheif Armia Dano Perreault Staf Lemieux Lowry Copp Enstrom Buff Stuart Hamonic Chiarot Trouba Helle Pavs Pressbox----------> Postma Burmi Thorbs Two rookies make the starting lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Well there's a major flaw in your lineup. Where's Matthews? Other then that I look at Stu/Chairot and one of those will not be here. Same goes for the goalies. We need better/different. Copp? Can you imagine his sophomore season? Nooooo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Ducky said: The 2016-2017 starting lineup we're likely to see... (lines and D pairings in no order) Ehlers Little Wheeler Connor Scheif Armia Dano Perreault Staf Lemieux Lowry Copp Enstrom Buff Stuart Hamonic Chiarot Trouba Helle Pavs Pressbox----------> Postma Burmi Thorbs Two rookies make the starting lineup. I thought you wanted Staf gone? We'll see if Tkachuk can crack the line up next year. He'll probably need another year of junior. If I have to watch another year of the Enstrom-Buff trainwreck I think I will cry. I also don't think Chiarot is going to be around next year. Morrissey may make the jump, RHD/LHD crap aside. Edited March 1, 2016 by kelownabomberfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted March 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 3 hours ago, kelownabomberfan said: I thought you wanted Staf gone? We'll see if Tkachuk can crack the line up next year. He'll probably need another year of junior. If I have to watch another year of the Enstrom-Buff trainwreck I think I will cry. I also don't think Chiarot is going to be around next year. Morrissey may make the jump, RHD/LHD crap aside. I do, I said this is the lineup I'll think we'll see, not the lineup I want to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Pop Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Ideally, IDEALLY - we're close to the point of Stu serving as the 7th defender. I realize salary may dictate otherwise, nonetheless... I'm hopeful Hamonic's a Jet next season, same with Morrissey. Forgetting LHD/RHD (right KBF!) I'd like to see Buff, Enstrom, Trouba, Meyers, Hamonic & Morrissey. Possible? Sure. Likey? Probably not....but that's why they pay Chevy to be GM. Ducky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 There is some speculation that the idea of Hamonic going somewhere other than Winnipeg is a red herring and that he has said Winnipeg is the only place he'd go. Talk of Edmonton or Minnesota is to make it seem like the Isles GM has options and to possibly crank up the return. But if the speculation is true, surely Chevy knows that. I expect a fair deal, if a deal gets done, which probably leans in our favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Pop Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Is a 50/50 chance Hamonic ends up here too hopeful? Maybe not hopeful enough? For me, bottom line is he is getting traded somewhere, that's a given. And it's a given when he is moved, it'll only be to one of 3 or 4 teams tops. Has to play to our advantage. 38 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: There is some speculation that the idea of Hamonic going somewhere other than Winnipeg is a red herring and that he has said Winnipeg is the only place he'd go. Talk of Edmonton or Minnesota is to make it seem like the Isles GM has options and to possibly crank up the return. But if the speculation is true, surely Chevy knows that. I expect a fair deal, if a deal gets done, which probably leans in our favour. This makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Its almost a rental situation in that the player has asked to be moved for what seems like serious and legitimate personal reasons and the team as agreed to accommodate him, asking only that he give them the season. Sure, he's under contract so that raises his value but unless the isles simply say screw it and keep him against his desire, he has to be traded and it has to be to Winnipeg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted March 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Too bad his salary is higher than his caphit, the Jets like their contracts the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 2 minutes ago, Ducky said: Too bad his salary is higher than his caphit, the Jets like their contracts the other way. I think this is too simplistic a statement for how the Jets look at salary. The Jets have an internal budget which is typically less than the cap, so in this sense, they can usually take on a player whose cap hit is larger then his salary because they have salary cap space. BUT his actual salary still has to fit into their internal cap. Hamonic has an actual salary of $3.857M next year and $4.875M after that and going forward until 2019/2020. In this case, I think that $4.875M is pretty good value for the game that he brings. And that is what the Jets will look at. Not if his salary is higher or lower then the cap hit, but on a dollar for dollar basis, is the money his salary will take up on their internal budget a good value for the play that he gives them. The Unknown Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted March 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 1 minute ago, Rich said: I think this is too simplistic a statement for how the Jets look at salary. The Jets have an internal budget which is typically less than the cap, so in this sense, they can usually take on a player whose cap hit is larger then his salary because they have salary cap space. BUT his actual salary still has to fit into their internal cap. Hamonic has an actual salary of $3.857M next year and $4.875M after that and going forward until 2019/2020. In this case, I think that $4.875M is pretty good value for the game that he brings. And that is what the Jets will look at. Not if his salary is higher or lower then the cap hit, but on a dollar for dollar basis, is the money his salary will take up on their internal budget a good value for the play that he gives them. 3.858m cap hit and 4.875m starting next season but I agree with you. He brings great value for 4 more seasons and wants to be here. He is what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 And likely is an easy resigning when his contract is up. Is also apparently a great locker room and community guy. Plus being local. So many reasons to get him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted March 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Not to mention he is the shutdown D man we don't have and need. Myers and whatever in the off-season Chevy, get er dun!!!!!! It clears up over 1.6m of cap space!!!!!!!! Myers, Petan, 1st in 2017 for Hamonic and Barzal. The Unknown Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 What site do you gentlemen use for NHL salary information? Ducky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 2016-2017 opening night: Ehlers - Little - Wheeler Lucic - Scheifele - Stafford Connor - Perreault - Grabner Dano - Lowry - Thorburn Yandle - Byfuglien Enstrom - Trouba Hamonic - Myers Pavelec Hellebuyck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 2016-2017 opening night: Ehlers - Little - Wheeler Lucic - Scheifele - Stamkos Gaudreau - Little - Eriksson Dano - Lowry- Jagr Yandle - Byfuglien Hamhuis - Trouba Hamonic - Myers Cam Ward Hellebuyck The Unknown Poster and Atomic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted March 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 http://www.generalfanager.com/players/1315 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducky Posted March 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=NYI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 22 minutes ago, Ducky said: http://www.generalfanager.com/players/1315 Thanks Ducky 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 I wouldn't expect many free agent signings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Scheifele is our #1 centre, pencil Little in as 2nd line ESW Perrault-Little-Armia Connor-Lowry-Stafford Lemieux-Copp-Dano (Thorburn, Burmi) Trouba-Buff Enstrom-Myers Morrissey-Postma (Chiarot, Stuart) Helle-Pavs Eventually, Connor and Perrault change places... I could see this team making the playoffs, barely. Would be nice to see Hamonic here, trade Staff and Enstrom for something at the draft Maybe sign a good 2nd line winger and give Connor another year in Michigan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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