Logan007 Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 As Jimbozo Bell might say "Other than the crappy draft picks, stadium debacle, Joe Mack era, stinky personnel, coaching shuffles, bluffy management and imbecilic board - BOMBERS IS GREAT!" Every time I read one of your posts, I feel like I'm getting dumber. James, Atomic, mbrg and 18 others 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Oi with the terrible Nate nicknames. We're going to have to go back to the old OB.com rules of Nate being allotted a max number of posts per day, and then finding a way to limit the hyperbole as well. (See: Talking out of ass with nothing to back it up) Sounds like this was an attitude issue for Pencer, and if there's one thing MOS won't tolerate, it's people not being pros and taking the job seriously. "Shape up or ship out", apparently... Logan007, SPuDS, Blue-urns and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voodoochylde Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Oi with the terrible Nate nicknames. We're going to have to go back to the old OB.com rules of Nate being allotted a max number of posts per day, and then finding a way to limit the hyperbole as well. (See: Talking out of ass with nothing to back it up) Sounds like this was an attitude issue for Pencer, and if there's one thing MOS won't tolerate, it's people not being pros and taking the job seriously. "Shape up or ship out", apparently... Best part of this new forum .. being able to ignore individual posters .. unfortunately as a mod .. I can't do that .. Noeller, johnzo, Tracker and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.O.A.B. Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 I think the only reminder of Mack circus season is....... QB Max Hall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maudie fingerjammer Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Given the o-line depth it is surprising he would be released. Weather it is health or talent he is obviously thought to be expendable. You can bet the bb will be looking at the releases or practice rosters of the other teams. OL don't grow on trees. He would obviously been a backup so they feel that anything but him has more upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearpants Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Its not like other teams didn't have first round busts, I like the selective complaints. It wasn't like Pencer was a projected 4th round pick some other team would of scooped him up. Taman never had bad drafts because he dealed away all of our picks. The mack hate is lame. As for Pencer , many people on here noticed how terrible he was and they all said he was going to get cut in a matter of time. No the problem isn't "mack made a bad pick".... every GM has done that.... the problem is Mack traded up with the initial condition being that his guy would be available (Jabar Westerman) but when BC traded up to 2, we all knew who they were taking... yet Mack completed the trade anyways.... then he selected a guy we could've easily got at 9 or 10 or wherever we were originally scheduled to pick... and the other problem is he made the exact same mistake prior year with Jade.... I have no problem picking a guy you like but why not trade down, gain more picks, and still get the guy you want.... drafting 101, a class Joe Mack apparently flunked! Floyd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robynjt Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 But Mack's gone... why keep complaining and bitching about it though? Noeller and Blue-urns 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.O.A.B. Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 If Bob Wylie can't make an OL out of Pencer no one can.I'm good with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrg Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Ugh. He seemed like he had a nasty side to him which I was excited to see if he ever got his act together. Looks like that's it for him... If he gets his act together he probably still will land a job in this league (if his shoulders are healthy). Can't make a player do that though. He already had a carrot (CFL career) dangling in front of him, so what's left? Demonstrating that the carrot can be taken away? Well now that's happened. Maybe we'll hear from him again someday. Maybe he's out of the league for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Its not like other teams didn't have first round busts, I like the selective complaints. It wasn't like Pencer was a projected 4th round pick some other team would of scooped him up. Taman never had bad drafts because he dealed away all of our picks. The mack hate is lame. As for Pencer , many people on here noticed how terrible he was and they all said he was going to get cut in a matter of time. No the problem isn't "mack made a bad pick".... every GM has done that.... the problem is Mack traded up with the initial condition being that his guy would be available (Jabar Westerman) but when BC traded up to 2, we all knew who they were taking... yet Mack completed the trade anyways.... then he selected a guy we could've easily got at 9 or 10 or wherever we were originally scheduled to pick... and the other problem is he made the exact same mistake prior year with Jade.... I have no problem picking a guy you like but why not trade down, gain more picks, and still get the guy you want.... drafting 101, a class Joe Mack apparently flunked! Little bit of revisionist history, but he still mishandled it a bit. Hamilton and Winnipeg agreed to a conditional trade on the morning of the draft. It was mentioned as a conditional trade on the draft preshow, before they started picking. Then Hamilton suddenly yanked the conditions out from under Winnipeg and made them make a decision to either take the deal now or it was off the table. Mack took it, BC jumped to 2 and the rest was history. People make it seem like Mack just flipped picks for the third overall AFTER Buono jumped to second overall, but that's not really how it went down. sweep the leg, Blue-urns and 17to85 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearpants Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 But Mack's gone... why keep complaining and bitching about it though? I just had to defend my point... normally I don't talk about previous regimes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robynjt Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 But Mack's gone... why keep complaining and bitching about it though? I just had to defend my point... normally I don't talk about previous regimes Fine... I'll accept that. Guess it's just the morning and all this complaining about Mack is just irritating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrg Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Its not like other teams didn't have first round busts, I like the selective complaints. It wasn't like Pencer was a projected 4th round pick some other team would of scooped him up. Taman never had bad drafts because he dealed away all of our picks. The mack hate is lame. As for Pencer , many people on here noticed how terrible he was and they all said he was going to get cut in a matter of time. No the problem isn't "mack made a bad pick".... every GM has done that.... the problem is Mack traded up with the initial condition being that his guy would be available (Jabar Westerman) but when BC traded up to 2, we all knew who they were taking... yet Mack completed the trade anyways.... then he selected a guy we could've easily got at 9 or 10 or wherever we were originally scheduled to pick... and the other problem is he made the exact same mistake prior year with Jade.... I have no problem picking a guy you like but why not trade down, gain more picks, and still get the guy you want.... drafting 101, a class Joe Mack apparently flunked! No, that wasn't exactly what happened. Mack did not have an option on that trade to wait and see what happened in front of him. He made the trade, then after BC made their trade. Hamilton was not interested doing a trade with us where we could do takesy-backsies. Lots of things in hindsight that we could have changed about that moment but your timeline is off and the situation was not entirely what you say it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrg Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Okay, what Mike said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearpants Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 and Mike points out another reason I don't typically talk about previous regimes... the facts get jumbled in my mind over the years robynjt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearpants Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 But I am right about Jade... I never really objected to us picking him (honestly, I had no idea who he was when we picked him).... I just thought it could've been done better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Hugely disappointing, but other teams draft picks have been just as lacklustre. we didn't have a 1st or a 3rd... but our 2nd and 4th are playing. (and if Luke Wilson ever makes it back to Canada...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluto Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 his body just couldn't keep together. pity about that but he's likely done. he had a bum shoulder when he was drafted, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robynjt Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Didn't say all other teams.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rids Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Its not like other teams didn't have first round busts, I like the selective complaints. It wasn't like Pencer was a projected 4th round pick some other team would of scooped him up. Taman never had bad drafts because he dealed away all of our picks. The mack hate is lame. As for Pencer , many people on here noticed how terrible he was and they all said he was going to get cut in a matter of time. Pencer wasn't projected as a 4th round pick but I graded him out as a late 2nd/early 3rd round pick. He was my 6th best OL. Had the extent of his injuries been known or made public while he was with the Okanagan Sun rather than folks giving off the info that he was sitting out to work he would have likely been a 4th or 5th round projection. He was able to train but his shoulder damage wasn't picked up by the junior team trainers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Pencer wasn't projected as a 4th round pick but I graded him out as a late 2nd/early 3rd round pick. He was my 6th best OL. Had the extent of his injuries been known or made public while he was with the Okanagan Sun rather than folks giving off the info that he was sitting out to work he would have likely been a 4th or 5th round projection. He was able to train but his shoulder damage wasn't picked up by the junior team trainers. It's called "doing your home work". Mack wasn't really a fan of doing that. /mackbashing I just hope that with the new regime, this doesn't happen again, especially with an o-lineman. I doubt we'll ever see Stephen Alli here either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Imagine what our NI crew would look like if we just drafted Calgary Dinos in the first round instead of who Mack picked... Coehoorn, Fabien, Edem. 3 starters instead of 3 guys who aren't on our roster. Floyd and Blue-urns 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Called it, and I don't ever get predictions right. Pencer just didn't look like a football player against the Argos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Probably should have played through the flu. Oh well. The real revisionist history in all of this was Mack's version after the 2012 draft talking about 'not having enough firepower' to trade up to #2... Wally gave up 4, 14 and 38 for 2 and 20. Mack gave up 8 and 13 for #3. Pretty comparable... if Mack heard that Buono was chasing Edmonton, he could have easily offered 3 and a 3rd for 'his guy'. All armchair GM stuff, of course. 2012 was not a 'weak' draft... the first two rounds were very strong. Been noticing a bit of a trend that second rounders seem to end up contributing sooner than first round players these days... Walters is still overpaying but, man, am I glad we've moved on from the Mack era... just too bad it took so long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted June 12, 2014 Report Share Posted June 12, 2014 Called it, and I don't ever get predictions right. Pencer just didn't look like a football player against the Argos. Watched the 4th quarter again, that sack/fumble on Brohm with around 5 minutes left was all on Pencer. The Argo guy Whiteside just walked right around him like he wasn't even there. No footspeed, no blocking. Either he's hurt or he's just not that good, but he definitely was a turnstyle out there on almost every play. Mr. Perfect 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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