TBURGESS Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 3 hours ago, GCn20 said: We pay more for our starting QB than they do...advantage BC Our QB salary is only going up 50k over last year compared to 280k for the Lions....advantage Winnipeg We were 15-3 with a 550k QB last year, no reason to believe that the extra 50k we will spend on Collaros this year makes any difference. The Lions paid around a 100k on starting QB last year, they need to find 250k in their budget this year. Not as bad as it would have been if Rourke stayed and got his 600k but still some tough decisions for BC. They field pretty much exactly the same unit as last year but they need to chop 2-3 high end players. We don't. We have already incorporated ZC into our salary structure before. We did our sacrificing last year. BC is in a significantly tougher spot than we are. The Lions had room for VAJ half of last year, so they've already incorporated both VAJ's and Rouke's salary in the SMS. Pipkin is probably getting $250K+, drop him and they're golden. Add in Burnham's $165K and they're ahead of the game. As for chopping 2-3 high end players, Burnham and Rourke are those players, they don't need to chop 2-3 more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, TBURGESS said: The Lions had room for VAJ half of last year, so they've already incorporated both VAJ's and Rouke's salary in the SMS. Pipkin is probably getting $250K+, drop him and they're golden. Add in Burnham's $165K and they're ahead of the game. As for chopping 2-3 high end players, Burnham and Rourke are those players, they don't need to chop 2-3 more. And Pipkin is very easily replaced. He has shown very little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 21 hours ago, 17to85 said: He would be alright in a good situation but man you better have a top OL and group of receivers given he can't run. Almost want to see him sign in sask and get killed. The OL in Hamilton isn't bad. Maybe ranked at #3 or 4 I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted January 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 Imagine paying 250k for Tony Pip....Christ sakes... bigg jay, blue_gold_84 and Piggy 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, TBURGESS said: The Lions had room for VAJ half of last year, so they've already incorporated both VAJ's and Rouke's salary in the SMS. Pipkin is probably getting $250K+, drop him and they're golden. Add in Burnham's $165K and they're ahead of the game. As for chopping 2-3 high end players, Burnham and Rourke are those players, they don't need to chop 2-3 more. Pipkin isn't making more money than Vernon Adams. That's an insane statement. And so is saying they're golden when they're not. Rourke made $71,000 last year & every qb on that Lions roster will be making more this season is going to mess with their salary cap. By the time they're finished there will be veterans of the lions signing elsewhere. Noeller and bigg jay 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piggy 1 Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 3 hours ago, bearpants said: great coach to learn under... no doubt about that... but he's QB2 (at best) behind the guy expected to be the face of the franchise for the next decade... so not a great choice in terms of opportunity Thats what I found interesting, hes to damn talented to be holding a clipboard...period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigg jay Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 39 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said: Pipkin isn't making more money than Vernon Adams. That's an insane statement. And so is saying they're golden when they're not. Rourke made $71,000 last year & every qb on that Lions roster will be making more this season is going to mess with their salary cap. By the time they're finished there will be veterans of the lions signing elsewhere. Correct. TSN had him maxing out at 116k if he got his playing bonuses (80k base salary). https://www.tsn.ca/cfl-qb-market-tracker-1.1754589 SpeedFlex27 and Tracker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, bigg jay said: Correct. TSN had him maxing out at 116k if he got his playing bonuses (80k base salary). https://www.tsn.ca/cfl-qb-market-tracker-1.1754589 Well, our resident know it all mouthing off again. Burgess has all of the answers to none of the questions. bigg jay and Piggy 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 41 minutes ago, Piggy 1 said: Thats what I found interesting, hes to damn talented to be holding a clipboard...period. Don't underestimate team/management politics and bias. Streveler is better than other QBs on the NY Jets team, but still didn't get the reps. Noeller and Piggy 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Tracker said: Don't underestimate team/management politics and bias. Streveler is better than other QBs on the NY Jets team, but still didn't get the reps. And that's the situation Rourke didn't want. He's not going to walk on a team and supplant a starter. He needed a spot that would give him the opportunity to compete for the #2. It's also important that you don't go somewhere where the coaching staff is going to be fired mid-season. You pick the team with the worst starting QB and that's exactly what will happen. Bigblue204 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 22 minutes ago, Jesse said: And that's the situation Rourke didn't want. He's not going to walk on a team and supplant a starter. He needed a spot that would give him the opportunity to compete for the #2. It's also important that you don't go somewhere where the coaching staff is going to be fired mid-season. You pick the team with the worst starting QB and that's exactly what will happen. The way the NFL works, Pederson could be unemployed by season's end next year. There are no guarantees. Rourke was signed by Jacksonville based a lot on the urging of Hank Burris who is an assistant coach with the Jags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted January 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 I've felt this way for awhile now too... Sounds like it's all but done: Bigblue204 and Geebrr 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Noeller said: I've felt this way for awhile now too... Sounds like it's all but done: Gonna be fun in Riderville next season. Edited January 17, 2023 by SpeedFlex27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 Just now, Noeller said: I've felt this way for awhile now too... Sounds like it's all but done: You don't need insiders to tell you it's both the Riders' and Dane's only option. Bigblue204 and Noeller 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geebrr Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 Dave Evans is a better fit in BC and Vaj is a better fit in the Gap Noeller, Wanna-B-Fanboy and coach17 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 Just now, Geebrr said: Dave Evans is a better fit in BC and Vaj is a better fit in the Gap Evans is a fit for no one with his temper tantrums & finger pointing. Adams is in a good spot in BC. Better than playing for the Riders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigg jay Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 52 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said: Evans is a fit for no one with his temper tantrums & finger pointing. Adams is in a good spot in BC. Better than playing for the Riders. Cody and Dane complaining when things inevitably go bad in Regina next season... bearpants, Bigblue204 and Noeller 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 7 hours ago, Geebrr said: Dave Evans is a better fit in BC and Vaj is a better fit in the Gap Vaj is a better fit anywhere because he's the better QB. I don't know if there Riders necessarily need a mobile QB though. They need to design an offence to get the ball out quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 13 hours ago, TBURGESS said: The Lions had room for VAJ half of last year, so they've already incorporated both VAJ's and Rouke's salary in the SMS. Pipkin is probably getting $250K+, drop him and they're golden. Add in Burnham's $165K and they're ahead of the game. As for chopping 2-3 high end players, Burnham and Rourke are those players, they don't need to chop 2-3 more. That would be true if Montreal hadn't paid 2/3 of Adam's salary before they traded him last year. Last year's total cap hit for Adams to the Lions was 75k. Between Rourke's time and Adams pay they came in at less than a 100k for their starting QB. Adams is due for 350-370k this year. Do the math TB. Montreal is not paying 280k of Adams contract this year. 9 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said: The way the NFL works, Pederson could be unemployed by season's end next year. There are no guarantees. Rourke was signed by Jacksonville based a lot on the urging of Hank Burris who is an assistant coach with the Jags. It doesn't matter who is ahead of you on the depth chart if the coaches are bringing you in to be TCF. Rourke went to the best opportunity he could find where he earnestly believed the coaches will give him a fair shot. NFL politics being what it is, I don't blame him. Piggy 1 and GCJenks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 9 hours ago, Jesse said: You don't need insiders to tell you it's both the Riders' and Dane's only option. I can imagine how stoked the RIder coaches must be at the prospect of trading out one blubbering, crying, finger pointing, mental mess of a QB only to replace him with his exact doppelganger from another team. BROKEN. The Riders would be better off with a Dru Brown or another young QB that isn't mentally broken. Not sure what they are thinking about really. 9 hours ago, Jesse said: And that's the situation Rourke didn't want. He's not going to walk on a team and supplant a starter. He needed a spot that would give him the opportunity to compete for the #2. It's also important that you don't go somewhere where the coaching staff is going to be fired mid-season. You pick the team with the worst starting QB and that's exactly what will happen. There is no pressure on him in Jacksonville, they are a team on the rise with a great offensive system and that seems to earnestly believe in him. Good for him, I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue204 Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 10 hours ago, Noeller said: I've felt this way for awhile now too... Sounds like it's all but done: Does Ballsy know about this? I'm pretty sure he's still committed to Bo coming down to the criders. GCJenks, Noeller, bigg jay and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Zanetti Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 10 hours ago, Noeller said: I've felt this way for awhile now too... Sounds like it's all but done: For a guy with mental health issues this seems like the worst possible landing spot. Stickem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 14 minutes ago, Bubba Zanetti said: For a guy with mental health issues this seems like the worst possible landing spot. Maybe the extra hits will be beneficial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 Evans needs protection, not very elusive. Fajardo *is* a better option for Saskatchewan until they fix that o-line. 17to85 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBURGESS Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 hours ago, GCn20 said: That would be true if Montreal hadn't paid 2/3 of Adam's salary before they traded him last year. Last year's total cap hit for Adams to the Lions was 75k. Between Rourke's time and Adams pay they came in at less than a 100k for their starting QB. Adams is due for 350-370k this year. Do the math TB. Montreal is not paying 280k of Adams contract this year. I got Pipkins salary wrong, he only saves them $80K. Using last years SMS hits... Pipkin @ $80K, Adams @ $75K, Rourke @ $71K, Burnham @ $165K = $391K of SMS savings. Is that the math that you wanted me to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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