TrueBlue4ever Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 1 minute ago, 17to85 said: How so? If he is just as bad next time, then it wasn’t worse, but is definitely not any better. My question to you though, taking these nit-picky definitions away from the conversation, is what has McGuire shown to suggest that this game was an aberration and there is much more talent there, which is what I assumed your position was? We have seen almost next to nothing of his play, and the first real exposure he got to the game since college looked piss poor. So where does the confidence in his game come from for you? I want to think he is better too, I just didn’t see a template for success from his play today, and have no other point of reference to offer hope. Bigblue204 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 Hilarious how quickly fans will give up on a player's entire career. Goalie, Bigblue204, Piggy 1 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Negatron Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Noeller said: Hilarious how quickly fans will give up on a player's entire career. To be fair, it would be different if he had shown signs. Nolby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doublezero Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 4 picks (2 of them on 50/50 balls to Demski) = not a great debut for McGuire. But he showed flashes. I would not be giving up on him. Shaq Cooper OTOH = sayonara. Kongbo, Houston, Kevin Brown showed well. MOS can't be happy with the penalties, lack of discipline. ddanger and Bigblue204 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said: If he is just as bad next time, then it wasn’t worse, but is definitely not any better. My question to you though, taking these nit-picky definitions away from the conversation, is what has McGuire shown to suggest that this game was an aberration and there is much more talent there, which is what I assumed your position was? We have seen almost next to nothing of his play, and the first real exposure he got to the game since college looked piss poor. So where does the confidence in his game come from for you? I want to think he is better too, I just didn’t see a template for success from his play today, and have no other point of reference to offer hope. Because if this was the real McGuire I don't believe for a second that the management team, which has prove very good would have been so confident with him as backup. Like I said, this game got away early. I don't think the always run on first down game plan helped him either. With as many guys as they sat down for this one and then the changes that happened mid game on the ol it was just one of those things that snowballed. Momentum is real. It's why I never liked the idea of resting so many people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doublezero Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 What makes people think that every time there's a pick it's the QBs fault? Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolby Posted November 13, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 Just now, Doublezero said: What makes people think that every time there's a pick it's the QBs fault? Instead of throwing it out of bounds when he had time,he threw is right into Ackies hands Tracker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Doublezero said: What makes people think that every time there's a pick it's the QBs fault? Most of these ones today were poor throws or decisions. Bigblue204, TBURGESS and Tracker 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuranBoldenRules Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said: If he is just as bad next time, then it wasn’t worse, but is definitely not any better. My question to you though, taking these nit-picky definitions away from the conversation, is what has McGuire shown to suggest that this game was an aberration and there is much more talent there, which is what I assumed your position was? We have seen almost next to nothing of his play, and the first real exposure he got to the game since college looked piss poor. So where does the confidence in his game come from for you? I want to think he is better too, I just didn’t see a template for success from his play today, and have no other point of reference to offer hope. His arm from the pocket looks better than 90% of the QB's I've watched in this league this season. We didn't have the OL to run much of that successfully especially when the LT went down. We were basically on our 5th and 6th string tackles (even though one of them is a starting guard), 4th string guard in there. I'm not sure he has the mobility to do much up here though. He needs to run quick game, almost like old style Kevin Glenn type of rhythm passing game, get it out fast from the pocket, load up a deep ball every once and awhile. There's not many QB's up here like that now and with the amount of zone D (DB's sitting on routes not really covering players) it's hard to run that. Bigblue204 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBlink Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 12 minutes ago, Doublezero said: What makes people think that every time there's a pick it's the QBs fault? At least half were certainly his fault. Maybe all of them Tracker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 13 minutes ago, Doublezero said: What makes people think that every time there's a pick it's the QBs fault? Ignorance mostly, with a smidge of arrogance and stupidity. Nobody knows what was whose fault... We don't know what the calls were. Lots of blame on the conditions too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddanger Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 52 minutes ago, bustamente said: Guys in the booth about as good as the Bombers today My 10 year old grandson: " Papa?? Is that man on the TV cheering for the other team??" He was referring to Dunigan Stickem, WildPath, Bigblue204 and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, ddanger said: My 10 year old grandson: " Papa?? Is that man on the TV cheering for the other team??" He was referring to Dunigan Dunigan looking for a night on the town and a few rounds of drinks ddanger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddanger Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 36 minutes ago, bustamente said: Richmond at tackle played well early until he got hurt, has some snarl Yes I liked him out there, really too bad he got hurt. Looked like a knee?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickem Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 Dunigan even had to throw a shot at the city......'wouldn't you like to be playinbg in the rain in Mont. than in Wpg. in the cold' ...he mused.....Piss off Matty....your dislike for the Bombers was showing....Guess he doesn't like a winner but the little weiner had to slam the second team Bombers as much as he could...I hope we can make that 'road grill' bozo eat some crow if and when he does a post season panel appearance...What a joke of colour commentary in that tilt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal optimist Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 19 minutes ago, BBlink said: At least half were certainly his fault. Maybe all of them Personally I blame those pesky defensive players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 WildPath, Nolby and Geebrr 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBlink Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 21 minutes ago, Noeller said: Ignorance mostly, with a smidge of arrogance and stupidity. Nobody knows what was whose fault... We don't know what the calls were. Lots of blame on the conditions too. Honestly McGuire was making it easy to tell whose fault it was. Maybe he wasn't getting the protection he needed but it's just bad decisions and bad ball security on his part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 Does anyone have the stats about how many passes McGuire completed vs interceptions (including the one put of bounds)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, BBlink said: Honestly McGuire was making it easy to tell whose fault it was. Maybe he wasn't getting the protection he needed but it's just bad decisions and bad ball security on his part. Nothing is ever that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBlink Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 Just now, Noeller said: Nothing is ever that simple. Throwing off his back foot out to the wide side of the field when the receiver was covered? Missing the crossing route and throwing straight to Ackie? Let's call a spade a spade Not seeing a defender underneath. A lot of these were extremely questionable reads and decisions Tracker and Bigblue204 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 Only guy I thought truly struggled all game and made it much harder on the Bombers O... Shaq Cooper Just a massive downgrade from Grant I guess I'd be more concerned with McGuire if Bryant and our oline were all playing. Oline looked good tho until Richmond got hurt and then it was a mess. Can't be easy. sic2et2non 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, BBlink said: Honestly McGuire was making it easy to tell whose fault it was. Maybe he wasn't getting the protection he needed but it's just bad decisions and bad ball security on his part. He definitely wasn't getting the protection. And inexperienced QB, minus your 1st, 2nd, and 3rd offensive tackles His performance was disappointing, but not entirely unexpected. Noeller and Bigblue204 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBlink Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 Just now, Mark H. said: He definitely wasn't getting the protection. And inexperienced QB, minus your 1st, 2nd, and 3rd offensive tackles His performance was disappointing, but not entirely unexpected. Exactly Mark H. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 Meh...offence was out of synch..i expected that. McGuire was poor tho. TBURGESS and BBlink 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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