Eternal optimist Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 4 hours ago, SpeedFlex27 said: I have no idea if Ryan Dinwiddie can lead. He'll have those Toronto QBs throwing 3 picks to the same player in no time! Bigblue204 and wbbfan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Tracker said: Ummm....don`t you mean `waterperson`? No I don't Mr. Trudeau. lol Edited December 17, 2019 by GCn20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Eternal optimist said: I think people are overvaluing what MBT was able to do in Toronto... he did it with no external pressure from an uncaring fan base and media as it became quickly apparent Toronto was the leagues' doormat with their 0-6 start. People are out of touch if they think paid football players don't take teams lightly on occasion.... should it happen? No. Does it happen? Absolutely. Not to mention garbage time stats. Eternal optimist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Goalie said: Why isn't Streveler ready to start yet? Cuz Lapo made him a gimmick? I dunno personally think when he was allowed to be a QB and not just a Fullback.. He looked good. Sure looked good throwing TD strikes to Harris in the Grey Cup. Id rather go Streveler and Mcguire cuz recycling washed up injured Vets aint the answer long or short term. Because his reading of a defense even just in terms of reading the end to hand off or keep is not near ready. His arm talent is there, his heart is more then you can expect from any player, Its his ability to manage the clock, read the defense and make decisions that is the issue. Wagering a season on him taking a step he hasnt shown yet, in a new system / under a new oc and qb coach is a big risk. To be fair, a washed up qb just won us the grey cup. SpeedFlex27, B-F-F-C and Bigblue204 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue204 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, wbbfan said: To be fair, a washed up qb was on the team while the Defense won us the grey cup. FTFY Edited December 17, 2019 by Bigblue204 blue_gold_84 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, GCn20 said: Not to mention garbage time stats. Like engineering a come back to beat us? Do you remember the garbage time stats with qbs like tee martin and countless others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wbbfan Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Bigblue204 said: FTFY we dont win those play off games with streveler starting though. B-F-F-C and SpeedFlex27 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigblue204 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Just now, wbbfan said: we dont win those play off games with streveler starting though. Hindsight. I'm speaking about what was not what couldve/couldn't have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, wbbfan said: Like engineering a come back to beat us? Do you remember the garbage time stats with qbs like tee martin and countless others? That game was garbage time. He had nothing and was down 23 points until we decided to quit playing that day. That wasn't MBT beating us, that was us checking out way too early in the game and then losing all the momentum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 17 minutes ago, GCn20 said: That game was garbage time. He had nothing and was down 23 points until we decided to quit playing that day. That wasn't MBT beating us, that was us checking out way too early in the game and then losing all the momentum. LOL that the end of the first half is 'garbage time'... Game was tied at the beginning of the 4th... that is the opposite of garbage time - MBT didn't 'beat' us but he did enough... No one is saying MBT is a great QB but I do think he's out best placeholder until Streveler is ready wbbfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Floyd said: LOL that the end of the first half is 'garbage time'... Game was tied at the beginning of the 4th... that is the opposite of garbage time - MBT didn't 'beat' us but he did enough... No one is saying MBT is a great QB but I do think he's out best placeholder until Streveler is ready I certainly want Streveler to succeed but if MBT is to be our placeholder till he's ready, I think MBT better be up for a long ride. Streveler has a LONG way to go before he can carry this or any other team. He has good qualities and has proved that he can be an asset, but he also has a ton to learn. Bigblue204 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueandgold Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Not quite sure I understand all the love for MBT. His ceiling seems to be quality back up in my mind. Bigblue204, Fred C Dobbs, B-F-F-C and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal optimist Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, Floyd said: No one is saying MBT is a great QB but I do think he's out best placeholder until Streveler is ready This assessment is fair, I can't see Arbuckle signing here without us overpaying for him (and he might not like working 1-2 with Streveler). Besides, the remaining available QBs are either injury prone (Nichols, Collaros, Masoli), more unproven than MBT (Prukop, Cozart), are washed up (Jennings, Franklin), or are just plain bad (Watford, Kilgore, Bridge, O'Brien). In a perfect world - we'd trade Collaros back to Toronto for MBT and THEIR first rounder LOL, dare to dream I guess. Floyd, Doublezero and Bigblue204 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Eternal optimist said: This assessment is fair, I can't see Arbuckle signing here without us overpaying for him (and he might not like working 1-2 with Streveler). Besides, the remaining available QBs are either injury prone (Nichols, Collaros, Masoli), more unproven than MBT (Prukop, Cozart), are washed up (Jennings, Franklin), or are just plain bad (Watford, Kilgore, Bridge, O'Brien). In a perfect world - we'd trade Collaros back to Toronto for MBT and THEIR first rounder LOL, dare to dream I guess. I think Collaros goes to Ottawa now and Arbuckle ends up in Toronto for $600k Eternal optimist and B-F-F-C 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCn20 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Blueandgold said: Not quite sure I understand all the love for MBT. His ceiling seems to be quality back up in my mind. No kidding. Collaros, Nichols, Streveler, Arbuckle, and Masoli are all better QBs than MBT. Why would we pine for the 5th best QB available? MBT as a backup if and only if Strev is in the NFL. Otherwise signing him would be nonsensical imo. Edited December 17, 2019 by GCn20 blue_gold_84 and TBURGESS 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 If we get to the point where we're even considering Masoli or MBT, then Walters and Co have ****** up bad.... Bigblue204 and JCon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Silverback Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 10 players from each CFL team's negotiation list. Bombers have QB Taylor Heinicke on it. There was a time when the Vikings were quite high on him as a back up QB, until he cut his foot kicking a glass door. A bit undersized for the NFL, could be a good CFL prospect. Plus, he's not on an NFL roster at present. Allocated to the St. Louis Battlehawks of the XFL. We might see him in camp, to add more fuel to our QB debating. https://www.cfl.ca/2019/12/17/cfl-reveals-list-10-negotiation-list-players-team-4/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Eternal optimist said: This assessment is fair, I can't see Arbuckle signing here without us overpaying for him (and he might not like working 1-2 with Streveler). Besides, the remaining available QBs are either injury prone (Nichols, Collaros, Masoli), more unproven than MBT (Prukop, Cozart), are washed up (Jennings, Franklin), or are just plain bad (Watford, Kilgore, Bridge, O'Brien). In a perfect world - we'd trade Collaros back to Toronto for MBT and THEIR first rounder LOL, dare to dream I guess. If that's a perfect world, I'll stay inside. Bigblue204, Noeller and Eternal optimist 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eternal optimist Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said: If that's a perfect world, I'll stay inside. To quote Skunk - it's my opinion, it can't be false! LOL blue_gold_84 and SpeedFlex27 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Blueandgold said: Not quite sure I understand all the love for MBT. His ceiling seems to be quality back up in my mind. it's nonsensical, the guy has been on something like ten teams NFL and CFL. Noeller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 If we are talking about leadership and rallying the troops.... Nichols absolutely succcccccccccccks compared to Streveler for that aspect. Anytime Strev goes into the game it's a noticeable jump in the steps of the players. While I don't think the locker room hates him by any means, he has done more then once in his time here not accept the blame and placed it on everything else aside himself. I'd say the players hold ZC in much higher regard because he was more humble. MBT is a weirdo, but I don't think he was ever looked upon as a Duron Carter cancer in the locker room type of guy. He's just more in outer space and my only concern would be if he would follow directions. My order of preference would be ZC , Arbuckle, Masoli , MBT, Nichols and at that point if they can't get any of those guys roll with Strev and McGuire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 hours ago, GCn20 said: No I don't Mr. Trudeau. lol Humpf. You probably won't like the holiday song, "Frosty the snowperson" , either. Eternal optimist and bearpants 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedFlex27 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Brandon said: If we are talking about leadership and rallying the troops.... Nichols absolutely succcccccccccccks compared to Streveler for that aspect. Anytime Strev goes into the game it's a noticeable jump in the steps of the players. While I don't think the locker room hates him by any means, he has done more then once in his time here not accept the blame and placed it on everything else aside himself. I'd say the players hold ZC in much higher regard because he was more humble. MBT is a weirdo, but I don't think he was ever looked upon as a Duron Carter cancer in the locker room type of guy. He's just more in outer space and my only concern would be if he would follow directions. My order of preference would be ZC , Arbuckle, Masoli , MBT, Nichols and at that point if they can't get any of those guys roll with Strev and McGuire. I think you underestimate the popularity of Nichols in the locker room as well as him being a team leader. blue_gold_84, Noeller, bearpants and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernSkunk Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Eternal optimist said: To quote Skunk - it's my opinion, it can't be false! LOL I agree.....it's just an opinion. Edited December 17, 2019 by NorthernSkunk Eternal optimist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernSkunk Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 20 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said: I think you underestimate the popularity of Nichols in the locker room as well as him being a team leader. Examples ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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