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Honestly, this board is so split... It's Nichols' fault, Stevler's fault... MOS's fault... Lapo's fault.... It's everyone fault and it's no one's...  Ultimately, it's Roberts fault for drinking a

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Well he probably won't play but not a benching but simply because he's injured and chances are the game won't mean a lot in the final standings and with the bye week in the final week of the season it

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Arbuckle Collaros Masoli Nichols Streveler   I ranked them based on the alphabet. 

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4 minutes ago, Throw Long Bannatyne said:

I dunno if they would be willing to  outbid the Argos for Masoli,  Desjardins is kind of cheap, they may end up with Arbuckle instead.

Argos are fully planning on starting Collaros next year....

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8 hours ago, M.Silverback said:

Your post nailed it. To me a pro head coach should demonstrate loyalty to his players by not crapping on them in the media. If a player fumbles, misses a tackle, whatever, as a good pro head coach you don't use that as an excuse to dump on a player publicly. It's a team game, lots of chances to win, he's a key member of our team blah, blah, blah. But, I'd tell all players behind closed doors enjoy every moment of being a pro athlete because it can end very quickly. Injuries, contract issues, or performance. If another player can perform better than you, they will play. Period. Happens to every pro player at some point. At some point some QB will be a better option than Tom Brady. O'Shea seems very reluctant to give that message to players. Makes me wonder what happened with Drew Willy all those years ago. Did Kyle Walters pull rank and tell O'Shea that Willy was done? 

Not every player friendly coach wins a championship just like not every taskmaster & intimidating "old school" coach wins either. First, a coach needs talent, second he needs a system for O & D & three the coaches to teach & implement that system. Even then, it's tough to win but 6 years should be enough time to prove it can be done. 

Jimmy Johnson in Dallas took over a 1-13 team in 1989.At his first training camp, he was putting his players through their paces doing endurance drills. He noticed a running back not participating. He asked the player what was going on. The back replied that he was having a hard time breathing as his asthma was bothering him. He told the player to report to the asthma field over there (pointing with his finger) & he was cut after practice. That same season, a tailback fumbled the ball & that fumble cost the Cowboys the game. That back was cut after that game. He installed a culture of no mistakes & no excuses & he won a Super Bowl. Was it fair? No. Was it the right thing to do? Obviously got the players attention which was the plan. It worked for Johnson as players bought in. Would it work for someone else? Maybe. Maybe not.

Vince Lombardi was a taskmaster. Extremely hard to please & tough as nails. Demanded as much from his players as they could give & more. Yelled & screamed if they made a mistake in practice or a game. After a loss, the film session with Lombardi was supposedly brutal with his criticisms. Extremely physically tough practices. But inexplicably, instead of his players hating him, most loved him & they not only wanted to do well for themselves but also did not want to disappoint "The Old Man". Lombardi had the love & respect of his team & they would have smashed through a wall for him. 

Two hard ass coaches. Two disciplinarians. Two perfectionists who motivated their players to win in different ways. 

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Not every player friendly coach wins a championship just like not every taskmaster & intimidating "old school" coach wins either. First, a coach needs talent, second he needs a system for O & D & three the coaches to teach & implement that system. Even then, it's tough to win but 6 years should be enough time to prove it can be done. 

Jimmy Johnson in Dallas took over a 1-13 team in 1989.At his first training camp, he was putting his players through their paces doing endurance drills. He noticed a running back not participating. He asked the player what was going on. The back replied that he was having a hard time breathing as his asthma was bothering him. He told the player to report to the asthma field over there (pointing with his finger) & he was cut after practice. That same season, a tailback fumbled the ball & that fumble cost the Cowboys the game. That back was cut after that game. He installed a culture of no mistakes & no excuses & he won a Super Bowl. Was it fair? No. Was it the right thing to do? Obviously got the players attention which was the plan. It worked for Johnson as players bought in. Would it work for someone else? Maybe. Maybe not.

Vince Lombardi was a taskmaster. Extremely hard to please & tough as nails. Demanded as much from his players as they could give & more. Yelled & screamed if they made a mistake in practice or a game. After a loss, the film session with Lombardi was supposedly brutal with his criticisms. Extremely physically tough practices. But inexplicably, instead of his players hating him, most loved him & they not only wanted to do well for themselves but also did not want to disappoint "The Old Man". Lombardi had the love & respect of his team & they would have smashed through a wall for him. 

Two hard ass coaches. Two disciplinarians. Two perfectionists who motivated their players to win in different ways. 

Also from roughly a million years ago.... dinosaurs are extinct and that crap doesn't fly anymore. Coaches have evolved beyond the need to curse and scream and cut people at the drop of a hat.

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1 hour ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

Not every player friendly coach wins a championship just like not every taskmaster & intimidating "old school" coach wins either. First, a coach needs talent, second he needs a system for O & D & three the coaches to teach & implement that system. Even then, it's tough to win but 6 years should be enough time to prove it can be done. 

Jimmy Johnson in Dallas took over a 1-13 team in 1989.At his first training camp, he was putting his players through their paces doing endurance drills. He noticed a running back not participating. He asked the player what was going on. The back replied that he was having a hard time breathing as his asthma was bothering him. He told the player to report to the asthma field over there (pointing with his finger) & he was cut after practice. That same season, a tailback fumbled the ball & that fumble cost the Cowboys the game. That back was cut after that game. He installed a culture of no mistakes & no excuses & he won a Super Bowl. Was it fair? No. Was it the right thing to do? Obviously got the players attention which was the plan. It worked for Johnson as players bought in. Would it work for someone else? Maybe. Maybe not.

Vince Lombardi was a taskmaster. Extremely hard to please & tough as nails. Demanded as much from his players as they could give & more. Yelled & screamed if they made a mistake in practice or a game. After a loss, the film session with Lombardi was supposedly brutal with his criticisms. Extremely physically tough practices. But inexplicably, instead of his players hating him, most loved him & they not only wanted to do well for themselves but also did not want to disappoint "The Old Man". Lombardi had the love & respect of his team & they would have smashed through a wall for him. 

Two hard ass coaches. Two disciplinarians. Two perfectionists who motivated their players to win in different ways. 

A certain Multiple Super Bowl winner comes to mind as well. And probably will win again this year. That D is isanely good.

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Also from roughly a million years ago.... dinosaurs are extinct and that crap doesn't fly anymore. Coaches have evolved beyond the need to curse and scream and cut people at the drop of a hat.

I can absolutely tell you that when my son Tyler was playing at SFU & Jacques Chapdelaine was his qb coach, OC & Head Coach he often felt the wrath of Jacques. So, players can be pushed hard. It wasn't because he hated my son. It was because he had such high expectations for him. He expected him to quarterback that team a certain way & if he didn't then he heard about it. Jacques was tough on him but he realized it was because he did care & saw his potential that he was so tough. These players don't realize the minute the coach stops yelling means he doesn't care anymore. Some players get it while others don't.  When Jacques left SFU  after just one season, Tyler missed him a lot. 

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On 2019-10-22 at 3:17 PM, 17to85 said:

I'd be shocked if collaros lasts a full game for this team. Our QBs are asked to stand in and take shots, that6bad for a soft headed guy like collaros. Seriously does lapo ever have a qb he doesn't get hurt?

 Yeah, whereas all the other OCs have been so successful in keeping their quarterbacks healthy… 

Your Lapo fixation really knows no bounds, does it?

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1 hour ago, deepsixemtoboyd said:

Your Lapo fixation really knows no bounds, does it?

 it's an  explanation for the burning question why has not O'Shea won the Grey Cup, which explanation allows the possibility that  O'Shea is a great coach.

The other being blame Hall. or Hall and Paul. But not Mike. Never that.

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Nichols/Streveler - Bombers QB's 2020.

Pro: They are both experienced CFL QB's and can win games in the CFL . One very experienced, the other less so. And as is proven every season, teams need more than one QB. Every starter has and will miss some games. So having two QB's that can truly start is really the smart move. 

Con: Neither one is an elite QB in the CFL.

Many questions, but, the big one is do you need an elite QB to win a Grey Cup? Certainly helps. If BLM wins this year provides more evidence to this. But, the only other truly elite QB in the CFL won't be in the playoffs. For the second year in a row. 

Another question is salary. If Nichols wants close to elite level money, I'd say you can't do it. If Streveler wants close to mid tier money - Harris, Fajardo - I'd be really hesitant. Especially since you might be able to get Arbuckle or Evans for around the same amount.

Many questions. Which all may be solved when Zach lights it up the next three games and takes to the Grey Cup 😅!!! We can hope, right? 

 

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3 minutes ago, M.Silverback said:

Nichols/Streveler - Bombers QB's 2020.

Pro: They are both experienced CFL QB's and can win games in the CFL . One very experienced, the other less so. And as is proven every season, teams need more than one QB. Every starter has and will miss some games. So having two QB's that can truly start is really the smart move. 

Con: Neither one is an elite QB in the CFL.

Many questions, but, the big one is do you need an elite QB to win a Grey Cup? Certainly helps. If BLM wins this year provides more evidence to this. But, the only other truly elite QB in the CFL won't be in the playoffs. For the second year in a row. 

Another question is salary. If Nichols wants close to elite level money, I'd say you can't do it. If Streveler wants close to mid tier money - Harris, Fajardo - I'd be really hesitant. Especially since you might be able to get Arbuckle or Evans for around the same amount.

Many question. Which all may be solved when Zach lights it up the next three games and takes to the Grey Cup 😅!!! We can hope, right? 

 

Evans is under contract. He is not an option. 

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1 minute ago, JCon said:

Evans is under contract. He is not an option. 

Ah. Thanks. Then maybe Masoli? If it's Masoli or Nichols at roughly the same contract you can at least make a choice. Streveler as back up. Maguire developmental. Maguire may actually be a better QB in the long run than Streveler. 

Plus, not 100% sure we're getting peak Nichols back. In isolation if I told you that your team was signing a 33 year old, mid tier QB coming off surgery to his throwing shoulder, you likely wouldn't be "sign me up!"

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