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5 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Oliveira is the heir... Or an Import. I really don't think Augustine is the guy... 

Yeah he hasn't shown more then other back up fringe CFL Ni backs. 

People love to hype average players who over achieve.

Ni rbs who start for years are extremely rare and so so because they still maintain a high level of production. Lacking that highly productive imp RBS are far too easy to find. 

Augustine is a small less athletic Olivera. And Olivera may not be a starter after Harris leaves. 

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9 minutes ago, Noeller said:

Oliveira is the heir... Or an Import. I really don't think Augustine is the guy... 

Cmon... if Oliviera or Santiago had stepped in and gone for 115 combined yards and then 135 combined yards - everyone would be falling all over themselves to anoint them the heir apparent

Augustine will and should be our backup for the rest of season and should be used to make sure Harris is ready for playoffs

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7 minutes ago, Floyd said:

Cmon... if Oliviera or Santiago had stepped in and gone for 115 combined yards and then 135 combined yards - everyone would be falling all over themselves to anoint them the heir apparent

Augustine will and should be our backup for the rest of season and should be used to make sure Harris is ready for playoffs

Two plays for half those yards. While he isn't explosive by any means it's not sustainable. To proclaim him any thing other then what he is a stop gap is a huge leap. Saw too many poor runs.

He will be the back up as we don't have any one else, the only time he might get more touches is if we sit the starters in the last game. He isn't spelling Harris based on the last two games or otherwise. 

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56 minutes ago, wbbfan said:

Yeah he hasn't shown more then other back up fringe CFL Ni backs. 

People love to hype average players who over achieve.

Ni rbs who start for years are extremely rare and so so because they still maintain a high level of production. Lacking that highly productive imp RBS are far too easy to find. 

Augustine is a small less athletic Olivera. And Olivera may not be a starter after Harris leaves. 

Wouldn't say he is less athletic at all..I believe most of his measurable are better for the most part

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Oliviera has rushed for zero yards and caught zero passes this year...  we're pumped about him because he's from Winnipeg - that is all.  I'm cheering for him but he's a forum favourite and has proven absolutely nothing.

 

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Yeah, people seem to forget that Augustine had a very respectable game yesterday (16 carries for 75 yards, 4.7 yards per carry average) against SSK's run D, which was ranked 3rd in the league coming in yards given up per game (91.1 yards per game)... only teams better at stopping the run is CAL (89.5 yards per game) and us (69.2 yards per game)

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Yeah..in 2 games with our backups we have rushed for 341 yards versus their great run defence...shows you what they are when they play a good team

Cgy to put 130 yards on them..that defence are total pretenders yet act like they are dominant...fools....

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1 hour ago, Eternal optimist said:

Yeah, people seem to forget that Augustine had a very respectable game yesterday (16 carries for 75 yards, 4.7 yards per carry average) against SSK's run D, which was ranked 3rd in the league coming in yards given up per game (91.1 yards per game)... only teams better at stopping the run is CAL (89.5 yards per game) and us (69.2 yards per game)

And Augustine does not have the reps/experience to read blocking with the same fluidity that Harris has. Thus, he has to often pause when being handed the ball. This will come with playing time. We do not know his ceiling but he has been adequate at the very least.

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I wouldn't sell Augustine short, TSN mentioned some of his achievements in other sports, can't find a list of them but they were quite impressive.   That indicates he has the attitude to excel at whatever he chooses to do.  Go Johnny go!

Just found this.

https://www.johnnyaugustinefitness.com/about

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17 hours ago, Booch said:

Wouldn't say he is less athletic at all..I believe most of his measurable are better for the most part

Athletic measurable is why he went from a mid round draft pick to undrafted. 4.77 40, 30.5" vert, 9'2 broad, 4.40 shuttle 7.34 3 cone and 22 reps. At 5'8 202lbs. His highest percentile score was 76%. 43% for vert, 77 and 76

https://www.cfl.ca/2017/04/07/comparisons-sake-projecting-johnny-augustine/

Olivera ran 4.7 with 35.5 inch vert, 9'10 broad, 4.17 shuttle, 6.90 3 cone, with 29 reps. At 5'10 230. His slowest 40 yard times were slower then Augustines slowest times but his fastest time was faster, and he was better in every single measurable department then augustine. While nearly 30 pounds heavier. 

17 hours ago, Floyd said:

Oliviera has rushed for zero yards and caught zero passes this year...  we're pumped about him because he's from Winnipeg - that is all.  I'm cheering for him but he's a forum favourite and has proven absolutely nothing.

 

Were pumped about him because he had a very good NCAA d1 career, is a big power back with very good athletic numbers. Augustine had how many rushes and catches before this year? Literally 100s of better backs have 0 touches in the cfl south of the border. If not 1000s. 

Anthony coombs had way more touches then augustine and while we kicked the tires on coombs we stuck with augustine. Coombs has more potential but zero chance to stay healthy. 

11 carries for 3 yards or less in 2 games. 4 for 10 yards or more. 1 in the last game. Minus the 1 outlier run of 55 yards in the LDC and he has 118 yards on 27 carries for 4.3 yards. 

15 hours ago, Tracker said:

And Augustine does not have the reps/experience to read blocking with the same fluidity that Harris has. Thus, he has to often pause when being handed the ball. This will come with playing time. We do not know his ceiling but he has been adequate at the very least.

Thats something you learn in college and HS. Not in the pros. Teams have tried to teach the likes of trent richardson how to read blocking at the pro level it just doesnt work. You can improve it, but you cant teach it. Just like a qb reading the D. You can help them grow and improve but a player bad at reading the field in the pros will never be good-great at it. 

Adequate yes. I would say hes almost exactly replacement level. We could plug nearly any pro RB in his place and get the same production. He doesn't hit the hole with any authority, he is indecisive with the ball, lacks significant power or speed when running. He is a tough kid, and a secure ball handler. You cant expect more from a 3rd string NI rb. Hes as good running the ball as lafrance was. Id take Normand back in a heart beat for the blocking and teams play alone. 

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3 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I've personally thought that Augustine was a fancy way of saying Lafrance.....definitely better, BUT......

yeah but as I tried to explain to you on the weekend, they are totally different types of runningbacks. Lafrance is much more of a receiver, as a runner Augustine is actually a lot better.

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1 hour ago, wbbfan said:

Athletic measurable is why he went from a mid round draft pick to undrafted. 4.77 40, 30.5" vert, 9'2 broad, 4.40 shuttle 7.34 3 cone and 22 reps. At 5'8 202lbs. His highest percentile score was 76%. 43% for vert, 77 and 76

https://www.cfl.ca/2017/04/07/comparisons-sake-projecting-johnny-augustine/

Olivera ran 4.7 with 35.5 inch vert, 9'10 broad, 4.17 shuttle, 6.90 3 cone, with 29 reps. At 5'10 230. His slowest 40 yard times were slower then Augustines slowest times but his fastest time was faster, and he was better in every single measurable department then augustine. While nearly 30 pounds heavier. 

Were pumped about him because he had a very good NCAA d1 career, is a big power back with very good athletic numbers. Augustine had how many rushes and catches before this year? Literally 100s of better backs have 0 touches in the cfl south of the border. If not 1000s. 

Anthony coombs had way more touches then augustine and while we kicked the tires on coombs we stuck with augustine. Coombs has more potential but zero chance to stay healthy. 

11 carries for 3 yards or less in 2 games. 4 for 10 yards or more. 1 in the last game. Minus the 1 outlier run of 55 yards in the LDC and he has 118 yards on 27 carries for 4.3 yards. 

Thats something you learn in college and HS. Not in the pros. Teams have tried to teach the likes of trent richardson how to read blocking at the pro level it just doesnt work. You can improve it, but you cant teach it. Just like a qb reading the D. You can help them grow and improve but a player bad at reading the field in the pros will never be good-great at it. 

Adequate yes. I would say hes almost exactly replacement level. We could plug nearly any pro RB in his place and get the same production. He doesn't hit the hole with any authority, he is indecisive with the ball, lacks significant power or speed when running. He is a tough kid, and a secure ball handler. You cant expect more from a 3rd string NI rb. Hes as good running the ball as lafrance was. Id take Normand back in a heart beat for the blocking and teams play alone. 

Two games, two explosion plays.  Guess that was just pure luck.  Oliveira is probably done for the season, they can sort out the pecking order next TC.

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37 minutes ago, Noeller said:

I've personally thought that Augustine was a fancy way of saying Lafrance.....definitely better, BUT......

But you don't like him because he's CIS ha...

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8 minutes ago, Floyd said:

True - just trying to figure out the LaFrance-Augustine comparison

Just feels like two generic NI backs. They're "adequate" or "solid" but nothing special. But trust me, I'm Canadian football (and everything else) before American (...anything...)

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2 hours ago, wbbfan said:

Athletic measurable is why he went from a mid round draft pick to undrafted. 4.77 40, 30.5" vert, 9'2 broad, 4.40 shuttle 7.34 3 cone and 22 reps. At 5'8 202lbs. His highest percentile score was 76%. 43% for vert, 77 and 76

https://www.cfl.ca/2017/04/07/comparisons-sake-projecting-johnny-augustine/

Oliviera ran 4.7 with 35.5 inch vert, 9'10 broad, 4.17 shuttle, 6.90 3 cone, with 29 reps. At 5'10 230. His slowest 40 yard times were slower then Augustines slowest times but his fastest time was faster, and he was better in every single measurable department then Augustine. While nearly 30 pounds heavier. 

Were pumped about him because he had a very good NCAA d1 career, is a big power back with very good athletic numbers. Augustine had how many rushes and catches before this year? Literally 100s of better backs have 0 touches in the cfl south of the border. If not 1000s. 

Anthony coombs had way more touches then Augustine and while we kicked the tires on Coombs we stuck with Augustine. Coombs has more potential but zero chance to stay healthy. 

11 carries for 3 yards or less in 2 games. 4 for 10 yards or more. 1 in the last game. Minus the 1 outlier run of 55 yards in the LDC and he has 118 yards on 27 carries for 4.3 yards. 

That's something you learn in college and HS. Not in the pros. Teams have tried to teach the likes of Trent  Richardson how to read blocking at the pro level it just doesn't work. You can improve it, but you cant teach it. Just like a qb reading the D. You can help them grow and improve but a player bad at reading the field in the pros will never be good-great at it. 

Adequate yes. I would say he's almost exactly replacement level. We could plug nearly any pro RB in his place and get the same production. He doesn't hit the hole with any authority, he is indecisive with the ball, lacks significant power or speed when running. He is a tough kid, and a secure ball handler. You cant expect more from a 3rd string NI rb. He's as good running the ball as Lafrance was. Id take Normand back in a heart beat for the blocking and teams play alone. 

Agreed to some extent. Whereas reading the blocking is taught at the college level, Augustine is not as familiar with the tendencies of the hogs up front as Harris was and that will cause him to pause on occasion. Think of what happens when a member of the O-line is replaced as happened with Speller and Desjarlais. That appeared to throw Harris off a bit. Augustine may not be an all-star but so far he has exceeded expectations.

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1 hour ago, Tracker said:

Agreed to some extent. Whereas reading the blocking is taught at the college level, Augustine is not as familiar with the tendencies of the hogs up front as Harris was and that will cause him to pause on occasion. Think of what happens when a member of the O-line is replaced as happened with Speller and Desjarlais. That appeared to throw Harris off a bit. Augustine may not be an all-star but so far he has exceeded expectations.

Yes.. Hes doing far better then alot of people thought he would and were sad that harris was out.  There was a drop off with Augustine, but not nearly a much as i think most of us thought there would be . 

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16 minutes ago, Adrenaline_x said:

Yes.. Hes doing far better then alot of people thought he would and were sad that harris was out.  There was a drop off with Augustine, but not nearly a much as i think most of us thought there would be . 

this is a very fair statement....

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