17to85 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 36 minutes ago, TBURGESS said: You can keep Manziel, but I'd take either Masoli or Harris over Nichols. So Harris I get has some numbers that look appealing, but what has he done that Nichols hasn't? Masoli too for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBURGESS Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 19 minutes ago, 17to85 said: So Harris I get has some numbers that look appealing, but what has he done that Nichols hasn't? Masoli too for that matter. Passing Yards: Harris 4849, Masoli 4966, Nichols 2788. QUAR: Harris 73.7, Masoli 84.9 , Nichols 69.0 Pass Effic: Harris 97.7 , Masoli 102.8, Nichols 69.7 300 Yard games this year: Harris 10, Masoil 12, Nichols 0 trueBlue83 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dee Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Harris 9-7 Masolii 8-8 Nichols 8-5 17to85, BigBlueFanatic and Wanna-B-Fanboy 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Is it time yet to start treating new member Scorch like a leper yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueingreenland Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) Harris winnng percentage .777 Masoli winning percentage .500 Nichols winning percentage .625 (this year) Not sure if Harris is much better than Nichols. Both have had their ups & downs. Now if Reilly became a free agent and would listen to offers...that would be a whole 'nother story Edited October 25, 2018 by blueingreenland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigseye Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Should be a good game, too close to call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 2 hours ago, TBURGESS said: You can keep Manziel, but I'd take either Masoli or Harris over Nichols. Masoli maybe, but Harris is wildly inconsistent. Tracker and blue_gold_84 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H. Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 27 minutes ago, blueingreenland said: Not sure if Harris is much better than Nichols. Both have had their ups & downs. Now if Reilly became a free agent and would listen to offers...that would be a whole 'nother story Precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dee Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, blueingreenland said: Harris winnng percentage .777 Masoli winning percentage .500 Nichols winning percentage .625 (this year) Edited October 25, 2018 by Mr Dee Tracker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebusrankin Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Harris is inconsistent and seems to be unclutch for a lack of a better word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBURGESS Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Winning % is a team stat, not a QB stat. I'll take inconsistent with a higher top end over consistently mediocre (This year) Can't say Nichols is clutch considering he hasn't won a playoff game for us yet.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Dee Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Some would say passing yards are a team stat.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzsax Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 I'm still not sure why the league doesn't track "arrests per team". Riders would be leading that stat by far Tracker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueingreenland Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 12 minutes ago, TBURGESS said: Winning % is a team stat, not a QB stat. Can't say Nichols is clutch considering he hasn't won a playoff game for us yet.. Following that logic it could also be said that winning in the playoffs is also a "team stat" Rod Black and JCon 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blueandgold Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 Trevor Harris always seems to start hot and play like an MOP, only to falter and play like Kevin Glenn when the weather gets cold. A big “no thanks” to him. JCon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBURGESS Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 We're talking QB's and folks say our QB is better because he won more games. OK, I'll think about that for a second... If either Harris or Masoli were our starting QB, I'd say we'd have won as many or more games this year. Both are better passers. Masoli's a significantly better runner. Neither had a month of bad play in a row. Neither were injured for 3 games. The big one though is that QB play hasn't been the main reason we're winning. Defense won 3 of the last 4 games. We don't rely on our QB winning for us. We just rely on our QB not to lose games via turn overs. Nichols wasn't even up to that bar for a month. If Nichols started for either Ottawa or Hamilton this year, I'd say that they would have won less games. Both those teams rely on their QB's to win games for them and both rely on the deep ball more than we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 9 hours ago, blueingreenland said: Following that logic it could also be said that winning in the playoffs is also a "team stat" When the team loses, it's Nichols fault. When they win, it's a team win. Can't you follow TBurgs logic?! SPuDS, blue_gold_84, Mr Dee and 4 others 1 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 If we were playing magical fantasy trades ... I'd choose Masoli, then Harris , then Nichols. The reason I would choose Masoli first is that even when the guy is running for his life he has the ability to throw a dart down field to a receiver. With our much better o-line I think he would have way more chances for running it himself and I think Thompkins and Wolitarsky both see way more balls. I'd choose Harris over Nichols mainly because he also can throw a deep pass and when he's on he's much more productive then Nichols. I'd be scared of bad Harris re-appearing but with our awesome o-line I think he cleans house. Nichols I choose last mainly because with an awesome rb and o-line he still struggles to really excel. The regression he's shown this season he has to be #3 because if the defense doesn't show up and/or Harris doesn't run wild... I don't see Nichols putting the team on his back to win. A game manager only wins if special teams and the defense show up and play big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doublezero Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 You've got to like the way Masoli operates Jones's run & shoot but is able to hoof it for a first down once in awhile. Masoli reminds me a bit of Chuck Ealey, a very mobile QB who we got from the Cats for Dieter Brock. Nichols lack of mobility is starting to remind me of remind me of Brock. But without Brock's arm strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 44 minutes ago, TBURGESS said: We're talking QB's and folks say our QB is better because he won more games. OK, I'll think about that for a second... If either Harris or Masoli were our starting QB, I'd say we'd have won as many or more games this year. Both are better passers. Masoli's a significantly better runner. Neither had a month of bad play in a row. Neither were injured for 3 games. The big one though is that QB play hasn't been the main reason we're winning. Defense won 3 of the last 4 games. We don't rely on our QB winning for us. We just rely on our QB not to lose games via turn overs. Nichols wasn't even up to that bar for a month. If Nichols started for either Ottawa or Hamilton this year, I'd say that they would have won less games. Both those teams rely on their QB's to win games for them and both rely on the deep ball more than we do. both Harris and Masoli have way better receivers than Nichols does, both are in offenses that focus on the passing game more. It's quite frankly unfair to Nichols to make that comparison. You swap qbs here and they're still going to use Andrew Harris and the patented Lapo short passing game because that's how this offense is built. I say we just be happy with the guy who has got this team a good record of the past few seasons. He's not perfect but he's the best qb we've had here in a hell of a long time so let's not go down that grass is greener path again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, 17to85 said: I say we just be happy with the guy who has got this team a good record of the past few seasons. He's not perfect but he's the best qb we've had here in a hell of a long time so let's not go down that grass is greener path again. It's hard to be happy with a guy who has struggled many times this season with putting together a drive all while having great protection, great RB, and open receivers. He's definitely been better during the winning streak but it's hard to get that bad taste in the mouth when he **** the bed during the losing streak. trueBlue83 and NorthernSkunk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernSkunk Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, JCon said: When the team loses, it's Nichols fault. When they win, it's a team win. Can't you follow TBurgs logic?! And I have seen it posted the other way many times, when the team loses its the defence or the teams fault, when they win it's a Nichols win. blue_gold_84 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 11 hours ago, TBURGESS said: Can't say Nichols is clutch considering he hasn't won a playoff game for us yet.. I don't think you know the meaning of clutch... BTW- Those two playoff losses are NOT on Nichols. If you believe they are- please share with me how that is so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, JCon said: When the team loses, it's Nichols fault. When they win, it's a team win. Can't you follow TBurgs logic?! Indeed... JCon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold_Palmer Posted October 25, 2018 Report Share Posted October 25, 2018 It would be nice to see Nichols get the respect he deserves. What’s his record since taking over for Willy in 2016? If you don’t think there’s a correlation between us turning around as a franchise then you’re out to lunch. Let’s enjot what we have going now. Was Nichols great during our losing streak? No. Is he a contributor to our 8-5 record with him in the line up? Absolutely. MC, Jaxon, blue_gold_84 and 3 others 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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