HardCoreBlue Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 28 minutes ago, 17to85 said: what mclellan? He needed to go. his only coaching was throwing McDavid over the boards and hoping he'd do everything. when your PP sucks ass with McDavid, Draisaitl and Nugent-Hopkins on it it's pretty clear the coaches aren't doing their jobs. And/or management isn't assembling the appropriate skill sets needed to support the best player on the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, HardCoreBlue said: And/or management isn't assembling the appropriate skill sets needed to support the best player on the planet. That's just the easy answer though. You actually look at that team and you can see that while the roster may be imperfect, there is more there than the coaches were getting. Case in point, last year everyone blamed the poor PP on Woodcroft. He was the assistant who had that job so makes sense right? Except the PP looks like the same crappy thing in Edmonton this year while Woodcroft looks like a revelation as the AHL head coach this season including a dangerous PP. Meanwhile the assistant coach the Oilers hired from Swift Current who supposedly is a bright PP mind isn't even being talked to about the PP. Mclellan isn't a horrible coach, but he is a horrible fit in Edmonton and the results speak for themselves. Especially when you consider the obvious disconnect between GM and coach on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardCoreBlue Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, 17to85 said: That's just the easy answer though. You actually look at that team and you can see that while the roster may be imperfect, there is more there than the coaches were getting. Case in point, last year everyone blamed the poor PP on Woodcroft. He was the assistant who had that job so makes sense right? Except the PP looks like the same crappy thing in Edmonton this year while Woodcroft looks like a revelation as the AHL head coach this season including a dangerous PP. Meanwhile the assistant coach the Oilers hired from Swift Current who supposedly is a bright PP mind isn't even being talked to about the PP. Mclellan isn't a horrible coach, but he is a horrible fit in Edmonton and the results speak for themselves. Especially when you consider the obvious disconnect between GM and coach on the roster. I'm sorry, easy answer? Their lack of success with the best player on the planet is a shared responsibility, players, coaches and management. Look at PC's body of work during his tenure here in Oiler land, it needs to be scrutinized just like everyone else involved. No, no, assessing management and their accountability has to be part of this discussion. If Hitchcock and group don't turn this around, I can guess who is next to go and it would be the right one. He's used his last Mulligan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 28 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said: I'm sorry, easy answer? Their lack of success with the best player on the planet is a shared responsibility, players, coaches and management. Look at PC's body of work during his tenure here in Oiler land, it needs to be scrutinized just like everyone else involved. No, no, assessing management and their accountability has to be part of this discussion. If Hitchcock and group don't turn this around, I can guess who is next to go and it would be the right one. He's used his last Mulligan. obviously Chiarelli is on the hot seat too, but let's not absolve Mclellan of blame when there are some clear things he doesn't do well. Guy doesn't line match at all, Mcdavid gets the toughest matchups at home and away, he blew that Calgary game on the weekend by sticking with the "protection" of Lucic on the top line and Kassian on the second line even when the Flames stopped trying to win a physical game. Just no adaptations at all. His only strategy when coaching is put McDavid and Draisaitl together and hope they win the game. I think the roster has more to give than they were getting out of it because we've seen shittier rosters have better results. I want to see what a new coach does with this group. If we're being totally honest they really should have just kept Todd Nelson when they hired Chiarelli, that guy got the best out of his players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 (edited) McClellan got sent packing cuz he signed an overrated Draisaitl and Lucic to long term crippling contracts and traded last season's MVP for a 2RHD. For sure. 17to85 Man are you ever delushional here. Oilers lack the talent... Its obvious.. Eberle for Spooner essentially... Hall for a 2 RHD. This is 100 percent on Chiarelli... 100 percent. Hitchcock wont help cuz hes a dinosaur and did nothing with a more talented Dallas team. Edited November 20, 2018 by Goalie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 So Little, Vesa , Petan + Trouba for McDavid This is the time to pillage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 18 hours ago, Goalie said: McClellan got sent packing cuz he signed an overrated Draisaitl and Lucic to long term crippling contracts and traded last season's MVP for a 2RHD. For sure. 17to85 Man are you ever delushional here. Oilers lack the talent... Its obvious.. Eberle for Spooner essentially... Hall for a 2 RHD. This is 100 percent on Chiarelli... 100 percent. Hitchcock wont help cuz hes a dinosaur and did nothing with a more talented Dallas team. I won't defend some of chia's trades, but draisaitl is on pace for over 100 points right now, how is he over rated? Mclellan was a problem and you will see that as more time passes. Hitchcock isn't a long term solution but you will see a different oiler team and don't be surprised if McDavid actually scores more now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 Hitchcock was done 3 - 4 years ago... even the hockey "experts" on the radio this morning were talking about how he runs an outdated even to defend system. Now if Edmonton were to get Quenneville.... FrostyWinnipeg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 Yeah the way the Blues have gone since he left there sure seems to indicate the guy is useless.... People are selling this move short, just watch. Oilers need a teacher and someone who uses guys to their strengths, that's Hitchcock. Mclellan didn't even line match, he just let the other teams dictate the matchups. What do you think McDavid will do when he isn't having to take all the hard matchups and when the rest of the lineup gets more sheltering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownabomberfan Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 (edited) So how did the Oilers get so far in the playoffs two years ago if Mclellan sucked? Seems to me it's been the horrible trades. Edited November 21, 2018 by kelownabomberfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeller Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 8 minutes ago, kelownabomberfan said: So how did the Oilers get so far in the playoffs two years ago if Mclellan sucked? Seems to me it's been the horrible trades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweep the leg Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 (edited) Remember when it was all Dallas Eakins' fault? I see a similar pattern of 17to85 absolving everybody of blame except the head coach. Edited November 21, 2018 by sweep the leg blue_gold_84 and Goalie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardCoreBlue Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 27 minutes ago, sweep the leg said: Remember when it was all Dallas Eakins' fault? I see a similar pattern of 17to85 absolving everybody of blame except the head coach. See other thread as well: All Lapo's fault. blue_gold_84 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 58 minutes ago, sweep the leg said: Remember when it was all Dallas Eakins' fault? I see a similar pattern of 17to85 absolving everybody of blame except the head coach. Eakins was a problem. Renney and krueger and Nelson were guys who never should have been let go, Eakins and Mclellan were problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 So here's the thing, I believe Mclellan brought some value initially, but he never adapted when his **** stopped working, and that is why the Oilers started struggling. Coaching is a constant game of adapting and mclellan never did that. We saw more in game coaching from Hitchcock last night than in years of mclellan. The roster is imperfect, but there is more to it than mclellan was getting from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 9 hours ago, Brandon said: Hitchcock was done 3 - 4 years ago... even the hockey "experts" on the radio this morning were talking about how he runs an outdated even to defend system. Now if Edmonton were to get Quenneville.... Absofockinglutely! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardCoreBlue Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 21 hours ago, Brandon said: Hitchcock was done 3 - 4 years ago... even the hockey "experts" on the radio this morning were talking about how he runs an outdated even to defend system. Now if Edmonton were to get Quenneville.... No, losing looks good on the Oilers. FrostyWinnipeg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted November 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 Jets can bring him back! FrostyWinnipeg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted November 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 haha maybe it will happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: haha maybe it will happen! They,d then gave to put him on waivers to send him to Moose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goalie Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: They,d then gave to put him on waivers to send him to Moose. Nope. Lemieux would go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: They,d then gave to put him on waivers to send him to Moose. They'd have to keep him on the roster for 30 days though, before sending him down (and watching him get claimed again). FrostyWinnipeg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iHeart Posted November 22, 2018 Report Share Posted November 22, 2018 FrostyWinnipeg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrostyWinnipeg Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 Dano back in the Peg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, FrostyWinnipeg said: Dano back in the Peg. Haha. Well done, Chevy. EDIT: Didn't have to pay him for a month to sit. Edited November 23, 2018 by JCon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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