Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 22 minutes ago, 17to85 said: Democrats Republicans need an exciting candidate, and a fresher face probably helps more than a tired old establishment face like Clinton was. This is how we got trump... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said: This is how we got trump... It's also how the Democrats got Obama. It's totally different anyway. Trump gained support by empowering the bigots in the republican party. They wanted a nonPC candidate because it allowed them to be as ignorant as they wanted to be. Wanna-B-Fanboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, 17to85 said: It's also how the Democrats got Obama. It's totally different anyway. Trump gained support by empowering the bigots in the republican party. They wanted a nonPC candidate because it allowed them to be as ignorant as they wanted to be. Obama... good point- I do like him. Just worried about a hard left person getting into power... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 36 minutes ago, 17to85 said: It's also how the Democrats got Obama. It's totally different anyway. Trump gained support by empowering the bigots in the republican party. They wanted a nonPC candidate because it allowed them to be as ignorant as they wanted to be. Plus he cheated. He lost that election without the Russian interference and Rudy's people in the New York FBI office forcing Comey into that idiotic move to throw shade on Hilary. The GOP did well with their targeting of demos but they cheated. And Hilary ran a good campaign. No campaign is perfect. The Dems shouldnt out smart themselves though. Everyone sees the emperor has no clothes. Dont get too cute. Run a good but tough campaign on the issues that matter and they will win. No one can be so stupid as to vote for trump again unless they're a rancid raving racist. And that wont be enough. Wideleft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 The other thing working against Trump is that he's getting so disliked that it's motivating people to actually get out and vote, and it won't be for him or the republicans making a mockery of the political process. Apathy was as much to blame as anything for Trump getting in, and that apathy is gone now I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, 17to85 said: The other thing working against Trump is that he's getting so disliked that it's motivating people to actually get out and vote, and it won't be for him or the republicans making a mockery of the political process. Apathy was as much to blame as anything for Trump getting in, and that apathy is gone now I think. Unfortunately... Apathy is the new "get out and vote". The Trump campaign hired an Israeli firm to essentially grow voter apathy. Voters minds are made up- you can't change them (95%) the real strategy is to dissuade those that would vote against your candidate to go out and vote.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) Giuliani isn't walking back all his comments he is in full retreat, if this guy spins any harder his head will fly off Edited January 21, 2019 by bustamente Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Posted January 21, 2019 Report Share Posted January 21, 2019 Rudy Giuliani can’t keep his story straight as he tries to defend President Donald Trump’s increasingly suspicious entanglement with Russia. Just last week, Giuliani raised red flags when he signaled that members of Trump’s campaign might have, after all, colluded with the Russian government as a part of its efforts to interfere in the 2016 election. He claimed that this wasn’t a change from his previous claims of “no collusion,” but it was. He then tried to backpedal from his new claim, saying he wasn’t aware of any collusion by the campaign. Then, after a bombshell BuzzFeed News report said that Special Counsel Robert Mueller had evidence Trump directed his attorney Michael Cohen to lie to Congress, Giuliani slammed the report, and Mueller issued a vague response calling parts of the story “not accurate.” This seemed like a major boon for the Trump team — they quickly used it to attack the media and its Russia reporting more generally. But on Sunday, Giuliani ended up bolstering the BuzzFeed report by saying that Trump may have spoken to Cohen about his congressional testimony before it happed — testimony which Cohen later admitted was a criminal lie — and said, “And so what if he talked to him about it?” Of course, the problem is that if the president knew Cohen was going to give intentionally false testimony, he could be complicit in the crime and possibly guilty on a similar charge. In light of these facts, Giuliani changed his story yet again on Monday, telling the New York Daily News, “The president never spoke with Cohen about the congressional testimony.” Renato Mariotti, a former federal prosecutor, told the Daily News that it wouldn’t necessarily be a problem if Trump and Cohen’s lawyers had contact ahead of the testimony, as Giuliani now claims. “But it would be highly unusual for those attorneys to discuss potential false testimony by Cohen and do nothing to stop Cohen or correct the record, given that it would be unethical and potentially criminal,” Mariotti told the outlet. “The question, then, is whether they discussed the false testimony in advance and knew at the time that it was false.” Mariotti added on Twitter: “That didn’t take long. [Giuliani] already walked back his suggestion that Trump discussed Cohen’s false testimony to Congress with him in advance.” And with regard to the actual negotiations with Russian officials during the 2016 campaign to build a Trump Tower Moscow, the narrative is evolving and contradictory as well. On Sunday, we learned this: The Trump Tower Moscow discussions were “going on from the day I announced to the day I won,” Mr. Giuliani quoted Mr. Trump as saying during an interview with The New York Times. But on Monday, Giuliani had completed reversed himself without acknowledging the contradiction: "My recent statements about discussions during the 2016 campaign between Michael Cohen and then-candidate Donald Trump about a potential Trump Moscow ‘project’ were hypothetical and not based on conversations I had with the President. My comments did not represent the actual timing or circumstances of any such discussions. The point is that the proposal was in the earliest stage and did not advance beyond a free non-binding letter of intent." Giuliani also raised a new red flag on Monday, telling CNN that Trump’s legal team reached out to Mueller’s office after the BuzzFeed report was published but before the response had been issued — raising questions about whether Trump inappropriately intervened in the investigation’s operations. All of this raises serious questions about the BuzzFeed report that, while it is now being treated with high levels of skepticism due to the special counsel’s statement, is still being defended by the news organization. Why would Giuliani suggest that Trump was indeed in contact with Cohen about the testimony, and then quickly backtrack? Why would he reveal that he was apparently trying to influence that special counsel’s reaction to the story, even when this looks to be on its face inappropriate? Why is Trump still unable to answer basic questions about Trump Tower Moscow? It remains difficult to accept the BuzzFeed article as a whole — but Giuliani’s scattershot reaction and shifting story suggest that it’s still worth taking seriously. bustamente, Wanna-B-Fanboy and The Unknown Poster 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JCon Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 41 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: He's Lionel Hutz, the law talking guy. The Unknown Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 Giuliani says he worries his gravestone will say 'He lied for Trump' https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/426370-giuliani-worried-gravestone-will-say-rudy-giuliani-he-lied-for-trump Some dandy stuff in this one: Quote I don’t think, as a lawyer, I ever said anything that’s untruthful." Quote "I have a sense of ethics that is as high as anybody you can imagine," Rudy doesn't have to worry.......his gravestone has already been printed. johnzo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, do or die said: Giuliani says he worries his gravestone will say 'He lied for Trump' https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/426370-giuliani-worried-gravestone-will-say-rudy-giuliani-he-lied-for-trump Some dandy stuff in this one: Rudy doesn't have to worry.......his gravestone has already been printed. I was actually thinking about this yesterday. Is there anyone else in Trump's orbit who did more to decimate their reputation than Rudy? Remember seeing him walking ground zero after 9/11? Others, like Sanders...sure, she's a dolt but she wasnt anything before this job. In 10 or 20 years when Rudy passes on, this period of his life, the lying for Trump, the seeming loss of his mental skills, will be a big part of his story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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17to85 Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, JCon said: He's Lionel Hutz, the law talking guy. Works on a contingency? No, Money down! hmm probably shouldn't have this bar association logo here either.... JCon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 24 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: It's incredible that the Trump family continue's to do business out of the White House Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 There is something very wrong with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted January 22, 2019 Report Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) One of the agency's that is effected by the shutdown is the FBI and of course Trump is probably not losing any sleep about that, and Putin is probably having a good laugh Edited January 22, 2019 by bustamente The Unknown Poster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Unknown Poster Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 Trump says he’s holding the stage of the union as planned at congress. Pelosi says no he isn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: Trump says he’s holding the stage of the union as planned at congress. Pelosi says no he isn’t. If I can translate that into laymans terms: Hey Donnie Dipshit, go **** yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCon Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 He's going to lose his ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 So much winning, boy that Trump sure has this politics thing all figured out at least he thinks he does in his tiny tiny mind JCon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 He must feel like a scolded dog having to eat **** from Pelosi over a stupid shutdown of his own making. I read the Dems are preparing a counter offer where they will agree to provide the funding Trump wants (or even more) conditional on it not being spent on a wall and they get certain concessions. He's going to flop. JCon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 It is hilarious to see how little Trump actually knew about the workings of the US government. He seems to have imagined the president as some sort of king rather than one of 3 equal branches. Turns out that when you actually have to make a deal rather than trying to bully people smaller than you Trump isn't such a good deal maker. JCon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted January 23, 2019 Report Share Posted January 23, 2019 Trump says he’s holding the stage of the union as planned at congress. Pelosi says no he isn’t. JCon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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