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If you don't think Trump is racist, then what do you have to to say about his refusal to rent apartments to people of colour back in the 70s? What about his insistence that the group of black and brown men accused of raping and murdering that white women were guilty all these years later, even after they were exonerated by DNA? Anyone who claims he is not racist is lying or willfully blind.

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3 hours ago, JCon said:

Trump is not ruling out pardoning Manafort. 

Of course he's not. Trump and his campaign colluded with foreign governments to steal an election. It's all part of the plan. Setting things up for 2020. 

Virginia, Florida and Maryland were other states jurisdictions, where guilty pleas were entered by Manafort in the 29 page plea agreement.   Pardon is not going to work.

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21 minutes ago, AtlanticRiderFan said:

If you don't think Trump is racist, then what do you have to to say about his refusal to rent apartments to people of colour back in the 70s? What about his insistence that the group of black and brown men accused of raping and murdering that white women were guilty all these years later, even after they were exonerated by DNA? Anyone who claims he is not racist is lying or willfully blind.

I don't like the colours that you celebrate.... but I sure as hell agree whole heartedly with you and like the cut of your jib!

 

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https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/29/politics/trump-putin-g20-meeting-intl/index.html

Kremlin confirms Trump-Putin G20 meet amid Russia-Ukraine tensions

Moscow (CNN)A meeting between US President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin will go ahead on Saturday on the sidelines of the G20 summit in Argentina, the Kremlin said Thursday.

 

It's quite the statement when one finds out about key government  meetings, not from your own government but from a hostile one. 

Seriously, anytime there's key government news about US and Russia, people almost always hear it from the Russians.

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5 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

Trump is so transparently terrified.  There isnt a single person of any note, minus Trump, who thinks Mueller or the investigation is anything but above board.  

If Trump was innocent, he'd be praising the investigation because the assumption would be, it would clear him.  Imagine trying to destroy the credibility of the people investigating you while knowing you did nothing wrong?  How would that even look, if they cleared you?

He KNOWS he's going to be screwed.  Its slightly surprising he's so obvious because it IS so obvious.  He's panicking. 

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11 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

Important enough to quote:

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Michael Cohen, pleaded guilty to lying about a proposed Trump Tower project in Moscow.

Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s former longtime personal attorney and fixer, pleaded guilty in federal court in Manhattan on Thursday to making false statements to Congress about the project to build a Trump Tower in Moscow.

Cohen’s plea marked the first time that Trump and his private business dealings in Moscow were named in open court as part of Mueller’s investigation into Russia’s ties to the Trump campaign.

The president has repeatedly insisted that he’s had no business dealing with Russia, but that’s never been altogether true. As regular readers may recall, a member of Trump’s inner circle tried to complete a major real-estate deal in Moscow during the Republican’s presidential campaign. What’s more, as Rachel has explained on the show, the financing for the proposed deal was coming by way of a bank owned and controlled by Putin’s government in Russia.

This isn’t a situation in which a Trump lieutenant tackled a business venture on his own: as the Washington Post  reported last year, Cohen “said that he discussed the deal three times with Trump and that Trump signed a letter of intent with the company on Oct. 28, 2015.” That’s several months after Trump launched his campaign. (He even participated in a Republican primary debate that evening.)

This is the same business deal in which Felix Sater, a Russian-born real estate developer and Trump associate, said in an email that completing the agreement would help put Trump in the White House.

“Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it,” Sater wrote in an email obtained by the New York Times. “I will get all of Putins team to buy in on this, I will manage this process.”

And now we know that Michael Cohen, while under Trump’s employ, found it necessary to lie to Congress about the deal.

In fact, NBC News’ report emphasized the fact that Cohen said in his new plea that Trump’s Russian business interests “were not severed and in fact continued into Trump’s presidency in 2017.”

Note, Cohen had already pleaded guilty over the summer to campaign finance and bank fraud charges. It was at that point that Cohen said he committed a felony “in coordination with and at the direction of” Donald Trump.

This morning’s guilty plea is separate – and for Trump World, it’s a development that may be even more serious.

This is showing the Quid Pro Quo and the relationship with Russia.  These deals went all the way up the chain on both sides, Trump & Putin.

Imagine a scenario where Trump's empire is ensnared in a money laundering scheme and the feds can confiscate all assets...  lol

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Who's playing who?  All that talk about Mueller boxing him self in, with Manifort

So, Mueller lets Manifort toss his Hail Mary and feed info to Trump..... then lets Trump answer the written questions, based on what the Don and his lawyers, thought he had.  

He now has Cohen - the legal fixer, under lockdown plea agreement.  Mueller had Cohen originally convicted under the State of New York so Cohen cannot be pardoned by Trump.  Mueller also has the CEO of the Trump organization talking.

Between those two, he will have the paper and electronic trails and tapes on a whole bunch of sewage, under the lid.  Having already plead guilty to a slew of federal crimes in a separate case in the Southern District of New York in August, and also implicating Trump in the nondisclosure-payment schemes.  Only way Cohen can avoid the ole 3 hots and a cot, for the rest of his natural days will be spilling his guts and making sure that Mueller gives the sentencing Judge the high sign.

Cohen admitting to lying about Trump’s Moscow property plans, including his plans to travel to Russia and contacts with Russian officials in connection with the project and how long the property plans were discussed within the Trump Organization.....is just the very first tidbit, of a 100 LB "nothing burger"   

Lost In all the talk about Flynn, Manifort, and Cohen.....is the 30 hours of testimony to Mueller from Don McGahn, the ex-White House lawyer, that could become real problematic.   He was in the rooms and involved in a lot of the conversations about firing Comey, the attempts to have McConnell backtrack his recusal, deep six Rosestein impede Mueller, and attempts to misuse the Justice Department for political purposes etc, etc. 

Muller is somewhat like an an Anaconda.....moves deliberately, but ends up squeezing the life out of you.  

Edited by do or die

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Michael Cohen plea documents (via CNN)

1. Moscow Project deal lasted until into Summer 2016

2. Cohen discussed deal more than three times with candidate Trump

3. Cohen briefed Trump family members

4. Cohen took steps in contemplation of Trump’s travel to Russia

Edited by Wideleft

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Its really becoming clear (and just think about the info we DON'T know, thats not in public yet).

Trump had long done business with Russia.  Whether organized crime did or did not actively conspire with Trump to launder money...who knows (probably Mueller).  But it seems to be a long relationship there of Russians dumping money into Trump properties above and beyond fair market value.

You have the guy running for President.  He's actively seeking a deal to build a hotel in Moscow that involves Putin.  Meanwhile Putin hates Clinton and is actively running a cyber campaign to influence the election so 1) she loses and 2) Trump wins....Trump, who Putin controls either due to compromising video, entangled laundering crimes, cult of personality manipulation or all of the above.

Trump knows damn well the Russians have hacked emails.  Wikileaks was a front for foreign agents.  Didnt Assange seek asylum in Russia?  Trump, during a debate, implored Russia to hack Hilary (that's a treasonous statement).  

We know Trump Jr took a meeting with Russian contacts on the pretense of getting dirt on Hilary.  The big question is if Trump knew in advance.  He probably did.

A layman can see conspiracy here.  Firing Comey was obstruction.  Trump admitted it.  He previously denied the Trump Moscow project until forced to admit it.

Of course, he denied payments to former gf's too...until forced to admit it (he never admitted it, just quietly stopped opposing it).

At best, Trump was an unwitting co-conspirator.  At worst, he openly conspired with Russia and their agents, Wiki Leaks and whomever else.  He expected to lose the election and was setting up business opportunities.  

We know he changed his platform to include plans favorable to Russia (I believe that was around the Junior Trump Tower meeting).  We know Putin ignored Obama's sanctions because he knew things would be different with Trump in the White House.

This is all campaign related.  If they go back further to Trump's complicated business dealings with organized crime and Russians it will only get worse.

Look at Kushner's family being bailed out by foreign powers.

For Trump, this might all seem like "just business" because its the way he operated for years as a private citizen.  But as President, its treason.  

Mueller will get him for conspiracy and obstruction.  Maybe money laundering.  A RICO case?  How does life in prison sound?  Indict Junior, Eric, Ivanka and Jared and see if Trump will take the fall (prison and forfeiture of assets) to save them.

Its all pretty obvious and logical.  And we dont know a fraction of what Mueller knows.  Hence Trump's panicked, desperate statements.

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10 minutes ago, Wideleft said:
 

Michael Cohen plea documents (via CNN)

1. Moscow Project deal lasted until into Summer 2016

2. Cohen discussed deal more than three times with candidate Trump

3. Cohen briefed Trump family members

4. Cohen took steps in contemplation of Trump’s travel to Russia

The kids are going to be indicted.  Trump will pardon all of them unless Mueller gets to him before he has a chance.  

The AG will never allow Trump to be indicted as President.  A fight to do so will end up before the Supreme Court which will side with Trump.  Trump will issue a pardon to himself.  Again, something that might end up before the Supreme Court and he likely wins.  Or Pence will agree to Pardon him in a deal for Trump to resign.

If Congress forces Whitaker out (or if Whitaker himself faces criminal scrutiny) and Rod Rosenstein or another respected person is elevated to AG, could they approve indictment for Trump?  Maybe.

Maybe Trump's already under sealed indictment waiting for the day he's no longer president...

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Giuliani accuses Mueller of filing Cohen charges to mar Trump's G-20 summit.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/418919-giuliani-accuses-mueller-of-filing-cohen-charges-to-mar-trumps-g20

Faced with Rudy's irrefutable evidence......I would like to retract all my previous posts, regarding Robert Mueller and Donald Trump.

....or just take another swig.

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Re: AtlanticRiderFan and wanna-b-fanboy

One of the main jobs of a President.... is to bring together different people, with diverse viewpoints and unite them in common cause.

At least Trump is accomplishing something. 

Edited by do or die

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42 minutes ago, do or die said:

Giuliani accuses Mueller of filing Cohen charges to mar Trump's G-20 summit.

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/418919-giuliani-accuses-mueller-of-filing-cohen-charges-to-mar-trumps-g20

Faced with Rudy's irrefutable evidence......I would like to retract all my previous posts, regarding Robert Mueller and Donald Trump.

....or just take another swig.

What a clown show.  So Cohen is an honorable person who would never lie.  And then when he tells the truth to which Trump doesnt like, he's a liar.  

I like Trump saying Cohen made up a story to get a lesser statement and then admitted Cohen was telling the truth.  These guys are brutal.  

Seems like Trump has surrounded himself with a lot of "honorable" and honest people....who turn into liars and weak people.  Why are you working with so many liars?  

And why does Trump continue to defend Manafort?  Because Manafort, more than anyone, can destroy him.  

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Remember the good ole Russian money laundering bank

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-11-29/deutsche-bank-s-troubles-are-donald-trump-s-troubles

 

The Democratic headed House Financial Services Committee, can start with the subpoenas in January.  They will be able to subpoena Deutsche for banking records and other information regarding its relationship with the president, the Trump Organization and the Kushner family

To say nothing about what Mueller already has on that score....

Back about 150 pages ago on this thread, I pointed out some rather curious relationships between Trump and Russian oligarchs, with Deutsche Bank as the go-between.... 

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52 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

And why does Trump continue to defend Manafort?  Because Manafort, more than anyone, can destroy him.  

Manafort lied to Congress to protect Trump. And Trump values loyalty above all else. Remember that nauseating  "staff meeting" where Trump had everyone go around the table in full view of the press showering him with all sorts of compliments rather than doing any work? Trump craves adulation and will praise those that stand by him.

I read an opinion piece on CNN (take that for what it is worth) that although Manafort lying appears on first blush to hurt Mueller and protect Trump, the fact that Mueller knows he lied and will read in the scope of those lies at his sentencing tells us that Mueller already has the dirt on Trump, and doesn't actually need Manafort to make the case, but basically caught Manafort in a lie based on the solid evidence he already has.

I am waiting to see if the Democrat-led House subpoenas Trump's tax returns now that they have the power to do so. Forget Russian collusion, I think that this is the way to expose Trump's dirty business, showing how he has profited personally off of the Presidency/. But why do I feel like the Dems once again will not go to the places the GOP goes to in politics because of some outdated notion of "compromise" and "fairness" and moral superiority, when winning is all that matters in Washington.

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7 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

Manafort lied to Congress to protect Trump. And Trump values loyalty above all else. Remember that nauseating  "staff meeting" where Trump had everyone go around the table in full view of the press showering him with all sorts of compliments rather than doing any work? Trump craves adulation and will praise those that stand by him.

I read an opinion piece on CNN (take that for what it is worth) that although Manafort lying appears on first blush to hurt Mueller and protect Trump, the fact that Mueller knows he lied and will read in the scope of those lies at his sentencing tells us that Mueller already has the dirt on Trump, and doesn't actually need Manafort to make the case, but basically caught Manafort in a lie based on the solid evidence he already has.

I am waiting to see if the Democrat-led House subpoenas Trump's tax returns now that they have the power to do so. Forget Russian collusion, I think that this is the way to expose Trump's dirty business, showing how he has profited personally off of the Presidency/. But why do I feel like the Dems once again will not go to the places the GOP goes to in politics because of some outdated notion of "compromise" and "fairness" and moral superiority, when winning is all that matters in Washington.

One only need to look at the 200 or so times Trump spent at a Trump resort during the Presidency to show how he's personally profiting.  What must it cost to have him and his detail/staff there so often.

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