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On 2018-09-09 at 12:49 AM, SpeedFlex27 said:

Trump will never spend an hour in jail. He'll be pardoned by Pence if impeached or resigned. 

Pence feels its his God-given destiny to be President, he wont make the same mistakes Ford did.  Plus, if Trump is proven to have some really nasty crimes, the feds are smart enough to send some indictments down through State Court, doing an end run around Presidential pardon powers.

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2 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Pence feels its his God-given destiny to be President, he wont make the same mistakes Ford did.  Plus, if Trump is proven to have some really nasty crimes, the feds are smart enough to send some indictments down through State Court, doing an end run around Presidential pardon powers.

If Trump resigns or is impeached then like Gerald Ford, he'll be President anyway. He'll just rile up Trump's base even more if he doesn't pardon him. 

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8 minutes ago, SpeedFlex27 said:

If Trump resigns or is impeached then like Gerald Ford, he'll be President anyway. He'll just rile up Trump's base even more if he doesn't pardon him. 

Perhaps.  But I tend to think if Trump resigns due to impeachment its because he fears actually being impeached.  Since it takes a super-majority in the Senate to convince on articles of impeachment, that would mean a significant amount of Republicans voting in favour which would mean Trump's standing in the GOP taking a major nose-dive.  

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28 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

What I would like to see is a democratic majority in both the Senate and Congress. Then we can get some actual investigations going. None of this "we found no collusion" cuz you didn't look for collusion bullshit.

As it stands, Dems are likely to have a solid majority in the House.  They have a chance at a majority in the Senate too which would be great.  Even if they only win the House, it allows for many investigations and they have subpoena power so they can really make life tough for Trump.  If there is evidence of wrong-doing, it guarantees impeachment.

But unless the Senate is willing to turn on Trump, impeachment stops there.  But my theory is, most of the GOP realize Trump is nuts but they know they are boxed in.  If they come out against him, its not like Dem voters are going to vote for a Republican.  All it would do is cost you the Republican votes, so its career suicide.  

But, if the mid-terms are bad for the GOP, then you'll begin hearing of chatter that they want to get Trump out before 2020.  If you combine that with a Mueller report that contains real criminal wrong-doing, that might knock the balance towards GOP Senators being more open to convicting Trump on impeachment.  At the least, it might cause some closed-door "suggestions" that Trump should quit rather than risk it.

It *might*, as it did with Nixon, create a scenario where the GOP convinces Trump to leave quietly in return for a Pardon (perhaps even a pardon for his kids).  It would be tough politically for Pence to try and heal the nation while pardoning Trump.  Perhaps, if Trump has any honor whatsoever, he'd trade his resignation for a pardon for his kids but not himself.  Voters might understand Pence's pardoning the kids, especially if he gets to act tough by not pardoning Trump.

That assumes ofcourse, that the kids get tangled up in some illegalities.

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22 hours ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Pence feels its his God-given destiny to be President, he wont make the same mistakes Ford did.  Plus, if Trump is proven to have some really nasty crimes, the feds are smart enough to send some indictments down through State Court, doing an end run around Presidential pardon powers.

And yet he sold his soul to the devil.

Prime example, the NY AG has already started a criminal investigation into the Trump Foundation.

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1 hour ago, Jacquie said:

And yet he sold his soul to the devil.

Prime example, the NY AG has already started a criminal investigation into the Trump Foundation.

Pence sold his soul years and years ago. He's really a garbage human being. 

 

Let's not forget the stunt he pulled, going to an Indy game and walking out. All staged at the expense of the taxpayer. Some conservative! 

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4 hours ago, Jacquie said:

You're assuming Pence will come out of this unscathed. He's just as dirty as the rest of them.

I have no reason to believe that he won't. Nothing would do my heart good than to see these vile humans all get their just deserts but I don't see it happening as that would topple the entire government in the United States. You know the one with all the so called checks & balances they always talk about to stop these things that are now going on from happening. If Trump & Pence were somehow convicted & jailed there'd be anarchy. So, don't expect it to happen. 

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