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1 minute ago, bustamente said:

I'm sure Woodward and his publisher have everything in order, Trump on the other hand has soon to be wife number 4 telling everyone how bright he is while he is chewing on crayons.

There is a legal maneuver in the US called a "strategically leveraged lawsuit" which is intended not to be won, but to intimidate and deter the defendant who would have to amass staggering legal costs to defend. 

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1 minute ago, Tracker said:

There is a legal maneuver in the US called a "strategically leveraged lawsuit" which is intended not to be won, but to intimidate and deter the defendant who would have to amass staggering legal costs to defend. 

...............and of course Trump never really never pays the full amount or ever for lawyers and now is busy throwing darts on who he should sue, this suit will be another loss for a loser

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1 minute ago, bustamente said:

...............and of course Trump never really never pays the full amount or ever for lawyers and now is busy throwing darts on who he should sue, this suit will be another loss for a loser

There is reason to believe that during examination for discovery segment, Trump's lawyers justification will be found to be so unsupportable that the case can be judged as "without merit" and dismissed. But its all theatre.

“Going for the kill”: Legal experts say Trump could face 4 years in prison amid new grand jury probe

The Manhattan district attorney's office on Monday began presenting evidence to a new grand jury about former President Donald Trump's role in hush money payments to adult film actress Stormy Daniels during the 2016 campaign, according to The New York Times.

The grand jury was recently impaneled and District Attorney Alvin Bragg appears to be "laying the groundwork for potential criminal charges against the former president in the coming months," sources told the outlet.

David Pecker, the former publisher of the National Enquirer who helped broker the deal with Daniels, was seen entering the building where the grand jury is sitting on Monday.

Former Trump attorney and fixer Michael Cohen, who pleaded guilty to federal charges related to the hush money payment "in coordination with, and at the direction of" Trump in 2018, has said he has repeatedly spoken with prosecutors.

Prosecutors also intend to interview former National Enquirer editor Dylan Howard and Trump Organization employees Jeffrey McConney and Deborah Tarasoff — who helped arrange for Cohen to be reimbursed the $130,000 he paid to Daniels, according to the report. Prosecutors are also expected to meet with former Daniels attorney Keith Davidson. Prosecutors have also contacted former 2016 Trump campaign officials and subpoenaed phone records and other documents in a sign prosecutors are seeking to corroborate witness accounts.

https://www.salon.com/2023/01/31/going-for-the-kill-legal-experts-say-could-face-4-years-in-amid-new-grand-jury-probe/

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3 hours ago, Tracker said:

There is reason to believe that during examination for discovery segment, Trump's lawyers justification will be found to be so unsupportable that the case can be judged as "without merit" and dismissed. But its all theatre.

“Going for the kill”: Legal experts say Trump could face 4 years in prison amid new grand jury probe

The Manhattan district attorney's office on Monday began presenting evidence to a new grand jury about former President Donald Trump's role in hush money payments to adult film actress Stormy Daniels during the 2016 campaign, according to The New York Times.

The grand jury was recently impaneled and District Attorney Alvin Bragg appears to be "laying the groundwork for potential criminal charges against the former president in the coming months," sources told the outlet.

David Pecker, the former publisher of the National Enquirer who helped broker the deal with Daniels, was seen entering the building where the grand jury is sitting on Monday.

Former Trump attorney and fixer Michael Cohen, who pleaded guilty to federal charges related to the hush money payment "in coordination with, and at the direction of" Trump in 2018, has said he has repeatedly spoken with prosecutors.

Prosecutors also intend to interview former National Enquirer editor Dylan Howard and Trump Organization employees Jeffrey McConney and Deborah Tarasoff — who helped arrange for Cohen to be reimbursed the $130,000 he paid to Daniels, according to the report. Prosecutors are also expected to meet with former Daniels attorney Keith Davidson. Prosecutors have also contacted former 2016 Trump campaign officials and subpoenaed phone records and other documents in a sign prosecutors are seeking to corroborate witness accounts.

https://www.salon.com/2023/01/31/going-for-the-kill-legal-experts-say-could-face-4-years-in-amid-new-grand-jury-probe/

We currently live in a world where there is a segment of the population no matter what he says or does who love and adore this man, attend his rallies, contribute to his 'causes', follow his words closely, emulate his persona, prop up others who support him etc etc.

We currently live in a world where there is a segment of the population that believe people of many political backgrounds who think trump is absurd, a lunatic and is a danger to society are actually the divisive ones creating us versus them situations and are not listening to all 'sides' of the issues, one 'side' being that of Trump's 'perspectives'. 

We currently live in a world where there is a segment of the population that presents themselves as moderates believing everyone else of political and social influence are equally bad not just Trump and what he stands for. So if we go after Trump we must go after everyone else or we're blatant hypocrites.

Insane.  

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Black History Month starts tomorrow.  Take some time in February to read the works of black authors.

Being Black Has Never Protected Us From Black Police

Scott Woods Jan 30, 2023 5 min read

The conversation around the race of Tyre Nichols’ murderers is not nearly as complex as some would like to make it

Three weeks ago, on January 7, five Memphis policemen brutally beat Tyre Nichols, a Black man guilty of no crime that we can ascertain. Nichols died three days later from his wounds. It is a death that would not have occurred if not for their actions, and for which the officers in question are not only unrepentant about, but fabricated a report to cover.

 

This is where we are now. After centuries of protests and demands in the interest of justice and Black survival, this is where we are. After the flare of worldwide protests in 2020—which netted us the worst year of police killings on record (2022) and more DEI training than you can shake a Black Lives Matter sign at—this is where we are.

Tyre Nichols was killed. Not immediately. Not right away. Not instantly, like we’re used to. They restrained him, beat him with their hands, maced him, then chased him when he feared he was about to be killed, then beat him some more, until he could not move. Afterwards, they stood near his seated and bleeding body, puffing their chests in that locker room way, as if they had just run a flawless game of 21 at a rec center court. They didn’t care what Tyre Nichols overheard or needed. They did not consider if any family were looking for him. They did not care that he was well out of the weight class of any one of them, let alone five of them. They did not care about his rights or his health or his anything. They did not care about the mother he was calling out for near the end. They did not care that he was drowning in their disinterest, cast aside like a toy played with too roughly once the stuffing began to leak from it.

That the five cops are Black is irrelevant because they're cops. If this comes as a shock to you or you think this somehow changes anything people who have been critical of policing have been saying, then you’re either obtuse or haven't been listening to Black people who aren’t cops. We told you about Black cops in Boyz n the Hood, when the Black cop put a gun to Tre's throat for no reason other than to terrorize someone powerless before his authority. We told you this in 1993 through KRS-One with the song "Black Cop." James Baldwin—who white people love telling you they studied in college—told you in 1985 in The Evidence of Things Not Seen, writing:

  • Black policemen were another matter.  We used to say, “If you just must call a policeman”—for we hardly ever did—“for god’s sake, try to make sure it’s a White one.” A Black policeman could completely demolish you. He knew far more about you than a White policeman could and you were without defenses before this Black brother in uniform whose entire reason for breathing seemed to be his hope to offer proof that though he was Black, he was not Black like you.

Don’t spend too much time getting hung up on the race of the officers in this case or any other. We’ve had this understanding with the police since Black people started putting on blue uniforms to “change things from within the system.” If there is one thing to come out of this specific public instance of horror and anti-Blackness, let it be that we stop pretending like adding perfectly decent Black people into horrific systems built entirely on their demise might actually be changed.

The inability to reform policing is not an issue of ignorance. This is, always has been, and always will be a question of will. Forget what people say about policing. Having an opinion is not having a position. We must constantly ask civic leaders what they’ve been doing about this rotten institution. How do they plan to overhaul a system so profoundly evil that it can make five Black officers—men who on a different day could’ve been pulled over and subjected to a similar violence themselves if not for their uniforms—torture a single terrified Black man into a dying daze?

Once police of any stripe have decided to harm you, you have no background, no context, no history. You become the object of whatever their biases may be. Being Black, you understand that those biases are almost always rooted in fear, guilt, or insecurity.

And because it is easy to allow the race of the officers to distract us from the deeper issues embedded in policing, I offer this observation. Yes, the five Black cops are being treated more harshly than in most cases of police abuse that we get to see. That doesn't ever mean treat them more like white cops. It means lobbying for more white cops to be treated like these five Black cops. (They could start with Preston Hemphill, the white officer who allegedly tased Tyre Nichols but hasn't been given the same attention as his cohorts.) Treat cops like cops, period, and we never have to have this conversation. But under no circumstance should we come remotely close to defending this gang of Memphis thugs against the racism they signed on to implement and sustain.

Upon hearing that Tyre Nichols was, among other things, a fan of photography, I was reminded of the science behind aperture. Camera lenses have diaphragms, and depending on how open or closed that diaphragm is determines how sharp or blurry a photo is. Not the whole picture, but the background behind whatever is closest to the lens. If the aperture is set low, lens opened wide, then the background is blurry. As you adjust the aperture to higher settings, the background comes into sharper focus.

Imagine Tyre Nichols that night. See him beaten by a gang of policemen in the dark. If you are someone who refuses to watch the video, just know that however you imagine that violence is just about right. In fact, all you can see is the violence that would eventually end his life. In that moment, there is no skateboard, no waiting child, no photography class. All of that is in the background somewhere, turned to smoke and dappled ghosts. We do not see any of those facets of Tyre in the face of such brutality. All we see are swinging limbs and fists, the holding up of a body that has no wind left in it, still being bludgeoned. That is what most of us saw in our minds when we first heard about this incident, sans video. All of our apertures regarding police violence are set low, but as some of us receive more information, the lens tightens and aspects of his life snap into focus. He becomes less of a target and more of a person. By contrast, the aperture of the policemen who killed Tyre Nichols was set to the most myopic level possible. In fact, they had no higher setting, focused only on the body in front of them, not as a person, but as a thing to tenderize into submission.

We so rarely see police officers stop during the commission of violence, or stop another officer in the act of violence, because they are incapable of seeing the subject of their abuse as a person. Once police of any stripe have decided to harm you, you have no background, no context, no history. You become the object of whatever their biases may be. Being Black, you understand that those biases are almost always rooted in fear, guilt, or insecurity. Being Black doesn’t protect you from Black police; it exacerbates such confrontations. That the officers were Black just means they can skip the part where you as a Black target see them for what they are: power drunk hands of a value-compromised state. Then it’s just a question of whether or not they see themselves in you or above you, and if they feel the need to prove it that day.

https://www.levelman.com/tyre-nichols-video-reaction/

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20 minutes ago, Wideleft said:

Black History Month starts tomorrow.  Take some time in February to read the works of black authors.

Being Black Has Never Protected Us From Black Police

Scott Woods Jan 30, 2023 5 min read

The conversation around the race of Tyre Nichols’ murderers is not nearly as complex as some would like to make it

Three weeks ago, on January 7, five Memphis policemen brutally beat Tyre Nichols, a Black man guilty of no crime that we can ascertain. Nichols died three days later from his wounds. It is a death that would not have occurred if not for their actions, and for which the officers in question are not only unrepentant about, but fabricated a report to cover.

 

This is where we are now. After centuries of protests and demands in the interest of justice and Black survival, this is where we are. After the flare of worldwide protests in 2020—which netted us the worst year of police killings on record (2022) and more DEI training than you can shake a Black Lives Matter sign at—this is where we are.

Tyre Nichols was killed. Not immediately. Not right away. Not instantly, like we’re used to. They restrained him, beat him with their hands, maced him, then chased him when he feared he was about to be killed, then beat him some more, until he could not move. Afterwards, they stood near his seated and bleeding body, puffing their chests in that locker room way, as if they had just run a flawless game of 21 at a rec center court. They didn’t care what Tyre Nichols overheard or needed. They did not consider if any family were looking for him. They did not care that he was well out of the weight class of any one of them, let alone five of them. They did not care about his rights or his health or his anything. They did not care about the mother he was calling out for near the end. They did not care that he was drowning in their disinterest, cast aside like a toy played with too roughly once the stuffing began to leak from it.

That the five cops are Black is irrelevant because they're cops. If this comes as a shock to you or you think this somehow changes anything people who have been critical of policing have been saying, then you’re either obtuse or haven't been listening to Black people who aren’t cops. We told you about Black cops in Boyz n the Hood, when the Black cop put a gun to Tre's throat for no reason other than to terrorize someone powerless before his authority. We told you this in 1993 through KRS-One with the song "Black Cop." James Baldwin—who white people love telling you they studied in college—told you in 1985 in The Evidence of Things Not Seen, writing:

  • Black policemen were another matter.  We used to say, “If you just must call a policeman”—for we hardly ever did—“for god’s sake, try to make sure it’s a White one.” A Black policeman could completely demolish you. He knew far more about you than a White policeman could and you were without defenses before this Black brother in uniform whose entire reason for breathing seemed to be his hope to offer proof that though he was Black, he was not Black like you.

Don’t spend too much time getting hung up on the race of the officers in this case or any other. We’ve had this understanding with the police since Black people started putting on blue uniforms to “change things from within the system.” If there is one thing to come out of this specific public instance of horror and anti-Blackness, let it be that we stop pretending like adding perfectly decent Black people into horrific systems built entirely on their demise might actually be changed.

The inability to reform policing is not an issue of ignorance. This is, always has been, and always will be a question of will. Forget what people say about policing. Having an opinion is not having a position. We must constantly ask civic leaders what they’ve been doing about this rotten institution. How do they plan to overhaul a system so profoundly evil that it can make five Black officers—men who on a different day could’ve been pulled over and subjected to a similar violence themselves if not for their uniforms—torture a single terrified Black man into a dying daze?

Once police of any stripe have decided to harm you, you have no background, no context, no history. You become the object of whatever their biases may be. Being Black, you understand that those biases are almost always rooted in fear, guilt, or insecurity.

And because it is easy to allow the race of the officers to distract us from the deeper issues embedded in policing, I offer this observation. Yes, the five Black cops are being treated more harshly than in most cases of police abuse that we get to see. That doesn't ever mean treat them more like white cops. It means lobbying for more white cops to be treated like these five Black cops. (They could start with Preston Hemphill, the white officer who allegedly tased Tyre Nichols but hasn't been given the same attention as his cohorts.) Treat cops like cops, period, and we never have to have this conversation. But under no circumstance should we come remotely close to defending this gang of Memphis thugs against the racism they signed on to implement and sustain.

Upon hearing that Tyre Nichols was, among other things, a fan of photography, I was reminded of the science behind aperture. Camera lenses have diaphragms, and depending on how open or closed that diaphragm is determines how sharp or blurry a photo is. Not the whole picture, but the background behind whatever is closest to the lens. If the aperture is set low, lens opened wide, then the background is blurry. As you adjust the aperture to higher settings, the background comes into sharper focus.

Imagine Tyre Nichols that night. See him beaten by a gang of policemen in the dark. If you are someone who refuses to watch the video, just know that however you imagine that violence is just about right. In fact, all you can see is the violence that would eventually end his life. In that moment, there is no skateboard, no waiting child, no photography class. All of that is in the background somewhere, turned to smoke and dappled ghosts. We do not see any of those facets of Tyre in the face of such brutality. All we see are swinging limbs and fists, the holding up of a body that has no wind left in it, still being bludgeoned. That is what most of us saw in our minds when we first heard about this incident, sans video. All of our apertures regarding police violence are set low, but as some of us receive more information, the lens tightens and aspects of his life snap into focus. He becomes less of a target and more of a person. By contrast, the aperture of the policemen who killed Tyre Nichols was set to the most myopic level possible. In fact, they had no higher setting, focused only on the body in front of them, not as a person, but as a thing to tenderize into submission.

We so rarely see police officers stop during the commission of violence, or stop another officer in the act of violence, because they are incapable of seeing the subject of their abuse as a person. Once police of any stripe have decided to harm you, you have no background, no context, no history. You become the object of whatever their biases may be. Being Black, you understand that those biases are almost always rooted in fear, guilt, or insecurity. Being Black doesn’t protect you from Black police; it exacerbates such confrontations. That the officers were Black just means they can skip the part where you as a Black target see them for what they are: power drunk hands of a value-compromised state. Then it’s just a question of whether or not they see themselves in you or above you, and if they feel the need to prove it that day.

https://www.levelman.com/tyre-nichols-video-reaction/

BTW: a sixth police officer (white, I believe) who attended the scene has been suspended, as were two EMTs who apparently changed their incident reports due to pressure from police to omit details that would incriminate the charged officers. It was reported that this is a common practice in these sort of events.

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New details on Fani Willis' potential indictment of Donald Trump revealed: report

The walls may be closing in on former President Donald Trump as the investigation in Fulton County, Ga., continues to progress.

According to Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis’ is moving closer toward indicting the former president in connection to his infamous call to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R).
Per CREW's Brie Sparkman, "the special purpose grand jury has reportedly heard testimony from crucial witnesses, including Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, former national security advisor Michael Flynn, Senator Lindsey Graham, former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson, and former Trump Chief of Staff Mark Meadows."

According to Sparkman, Trump is at the center of a string of alleged crimes that are both election-related and non-election related. Some of the potential charges include solicitation to commit election fraud, making false statements, and potential violations of Georgia’s RICO Act.

Sparkman also explained the basis of the investigation and the allegations against Trump.

"Trump is alleged to have repeatedly lied about the 2020 election to Georgia officials and to have used that misleading conduct, as well as intimidation and threats, to push them to change the election outcome," Sparkman wrote. "Trump may have committed the crime of false statements and improperly influencing government officials when he repeatedly told Raffensperger that he won the election as well as when he listed numerous inaccuracies and falsehoods about the election."

To face charges, Sparkman pointed out that there also has to be a "'pattern' of misconduct as shown by violations of two or more specified crimes, including the false statements or improper influence crimes mentioned above."

https://www.alternet.org/new-details-fani-willis-indictment/

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Trump in Even More Legal Hot Water After Lying to Judge

Former President Donald Trump appears to have lied in sworn court records, opening him up to severe sanctions by a New York judge who has already lost his patience and threatened to punish him before.

Trump claimed he wasn’t the president of the Trump Organization during his four years at the White House, despite previously testifying that he was an “inactive president.” And he claimed that he didn’t have a financial stake in a partnership with the real estate company Vornado, even though he previously testified that he did.

On Tuesday, the New York Attorney General’s Office asked Justice Arthur F. Engoron to intervene quickly to ensure that the former president still faces a trial later this year that could bankrupt his company.

New York AG Letitia James sued the Trump family and their real estate empire for at least $250 million last year, the end result of a three-year investigation that documented how the Trumps have routinely faked property values to score better bank loans and cheat taxes. The civil lawsuit threatens to yank the company’s credentials, seize its bank accounts, and choke off its access to any banks in New York City—the global finance capital.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-in-even-more-legal-hot-water-after-lying-to-judge-arthur-engoron?ref=home

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Trump’s Financial Situation Is Even Shakier Than We Knew

Trump’s tax returns reveal that he has far less liquidity than he’s presented—and it could explain a lot of his behavior. When Donald Trump left office in early 2021, he was apparently on much thinner financial ice than almost anyone knew.

That revelation, which three accounting experts confirmed upon reviewing Trump’s 2020 tax return, may help explain some of the financial and political moves the former president has made in the intervening years. Snowballing legal fees, along with other possible legal settlements and judgments, threaten to consume the cash pile he needs to bankroll his business activity, as well as fund a lavish lifestyle and maintain his image of excess—an emperor atop a golden toilet.

How big is that cash pile, exactly?

Accountants caution against reading too much into tax returns of high net worth individuals like Trump—especially ones in the real estate business—because those filings can be extraordinarily complex. That said, all three tax experts interviewed for this article concurred that Trump’s stash on hand at the end of 2020 does not appear to be quite as generous as the returns might make it seem.
While Trump often boasts of being a billionaire—which, in terms of assets, he is—two of the experts who reviewed his returns for this article said that as his presidency came to its tumultuous end, it appears Trump, depending on interest rates, may have had immediate access to anywhere between $30 million and $100 million, with that amount itself scattered across hundreds of entities.

That bottom line was reflected in new documents filed last week by New York Attorney General Letitia James in her $250 million fraud lawsuit against Trump, three of his adult children, and his businesses. Those documents show that Trump—a billionaire on paper—only had control over about $65 million in liquid assets as he prepared to depart the White House.

The cash flow discrepancy, according to three accounting experts who reviewed Trump’s 2020 tax returns, is significant, and can be chalked up to one simple fact: The vast majority of Trump’s ordinary income is reported as interest income and derived from pass-through entities. His tax returns are not intended to report if this income was actually distributed to him—they only indicate what income is attributed to him as an owner or investor.

That fact is central to James’ lawsuit, which argues that these funds may not actually equate to liquidity—and that when Trump applied for loans, he played up those “restricted funds” as his own money in order to help secure the loans. In reality, the suit says, a significant portion of what Trump called “his” cash was wholly controlled by another entity—the real estate behemoth Vornado—which Trump could not unilaterally access if he, or his businesses, needed to find some funds.

“Internal Trump Organization records acknowledge that cash residing in the Vornado Partnership Interests was not Mr. Trump’s to access at his whim,” the new filing reads.

The filing goes on to cite those internal records, which admit that “distributions are at the discretion of Vornado” and “at this point we do not have all of the data that goes into Vornado’s decision making, thus we are attributing no distribution for these properties.”

Citing Trump Organization financial statements, James points out that of the $92.7 million that Trump held in liquid assets in 2020, $28.25 million of that amount was tied up in “partnership entities Mr. Trump did not control as Mr. Trump’s own liquidity.” In some years, she said, “these restricted funds accounted for almost one-third of all the cash reported by Mr. Trump.”

Mark S. Gottlieb, a forensic accountant and tax law expert in Manhattan, told The Daily Beast that if the attorney general’s premise is correct and Trump does not have access to portions of the 2020 income attributed and taxed to him, those amounts are tantamount to “phantom income.”

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16 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

 

Not only are they stupid, they're not even good speakers. You can tell they don't know what they're talking about and someone else has told them their talking points. 

But hey why the uproar over a business deciding to drop networks? Is that not their right to make decisions about their services? If these networks are unprofitable why carry them? Though Republicans didn't like government meddling in the free market?

 

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FBI Investigating George Santos’ Alleged Theft from Veteran’s Dying Dog

FBI agents are investigating Rep. George Santos’ role in the alleged fraud of a disabled Navy veteran’s GoFundMe for his dying service dog.
“Two agents contacted former service member Richard Osthoff Wednesday on behalf of the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the Eastern District of New York", he told Politico.
Osthoff gave the agents 2016 text messages with Santos, who he says used his plight to raise $3,000 for life-saving surgery for the pit bull mix, Sapphire – then ghosted with the funds, as first reported by Patch.

Jaqueline Sweet first broke the news about Santos being accused of defrauding a disabled veteran on January 17, 2023 in Patch.

“Disabled Veteran: George Santos Took $3K From Dying Dog’s GoFundMe

Two New Jersey veterans say George Santos promised to raise funds for a lifesaving surgery for a service dog — then disappeared.”

George Santos is accused of fraud on almost every level possible at this point: internationally, locally, campaign finances… He has more names than any other person in Congress but uses them in a way that in some ways echoes Donald Trump’s use of other names.

https://www.politicususa.com/2023/02/01/fbi-investigating-george-santos-alleged-theft-from-veterans-dying-dog.html

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FBI Investigating George Santos’ Alleged Theft from Veteran’s Dying Dog

FBI agents are investigating Rep. George Santos’ role in the alleged fraud of a disabled Navy veteran’s GoFundMe for his dying service dog.
“Two agents contacted former service member Richard Osthoff Wednesday on behalf of the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the Eastern District of New York", he told Politico.
Osthoff gave the agents 2016 text messages with Santos, who he says used his plight to raise $3,000 for life-saving surgery for the pit bull mix, Sapphire – then ghosted with the funds, as first reported by Patch.

Jaqueline Sweet first broke the news about Santos being accused of defrauding a disabled veteran on January 17, 2023 in Patch.

“Disabled Veteran: George Santos Took $3K From Dying Dog’s GoFundMe

Two New Jersey veterans say George Santos promised to raise funds for a lifesaving surgery for a service dog — then disappeared.”

George Santos is accused of fraud on almost every level possible at this point: internationally, locally, campaign finances… He has more names than any other person in Congress but uses them in a way that in some ways echoes Donald Trump’s use of other names.

https://www.politicususa.com/2023/02/01/fbi-investigating-george-santos-alleged-theft-from-veterans-dying-dog.html

As Deputy Director of the FBI and Avenger, this does not look good on George. 

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21 minutes ago, HardCoreBlue said:

I continue to be fascinated less with him and more with the knuckle draggers who voted for him.

See in the states it's easy... you don't need to look into candidates, you're either on the blue team or the red team. Some few people drift between teams and if they don't like one for what ever reason they  vote for the other. 

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13 minutes ago, blue_gold_84 said:

Dumb, self-important pieces of **** vote for dumb, self-important pieces of ****.

To ensure I’m not being a hypocrite in doing some self reflection I can’t recall ever voting for someone that demonstrates even close to the ‘qualities’ like this Santos person. 

 

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