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2 minutes ago, Goalie said:

Don't want to sound heartless but the best thing for the US is if Trump dies soon  

I don't think that would help the situation, IMO. He started the ball rolling on the white-supremacist authoritarian movement but they need someone else to get it completely installed. 

If Trump dies, he becomes a martyr and the movement goes on. 

If he sticks around, he fragments the GOP, the part of white supremacy, and ensures in-fighting and power control for years to come. 

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4 hours ago, blue_gold_84 said:

Trump is just a symptom of a much larger problem with the US, one that's been around for decades.

His death would be pretty inconsequential, IMO.

Agreed. Even though the overt racism surfaced in the Reagan era, and he was completely addled with dementia for the last two years of his presidency, it has always been there in one form or another. In the late 30's Nazis held huge rallies in the US and even had a large "Hitler Youth movement" then. Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford were heavily involved. Trump's death would change nothing and the only way to drive these human reptiles back under the rocks they climbed out from under would be to convict them and send them to jail for lengthy sentences. 

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Stop using the term conspiracy theories and just call them stupid absurd nonsensical words coming out of mouths. They are not theories they are just dumb random words spewed together eloquently or not eloquently out of mouths onto the keyboards with no rational reality based thought attached to them. 

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4 hours ago, Tracker said:

Agreed. Even though the overt racism surfaced in the Reagan era, and he was completely addled with dementia for the last two years of his presidency, it has always been there in one form or another. In the late 30's Nazis held huge rallies in the US and even had a large "Hitler Youth movement" then. Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford were heavily involved. Trump's death would change nothing and the only way to drive these human reptiles back under the rocks they climbed out from under would be to convict them and send them to jail for lengthy sentences. 

                                                 Observing war games in Redford, New York - 1939

                                                                Observing war games in Redford, New York - 1939

 

 

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11 hours ago, FrostyWinnipeg said:

 

Death by a thousand small cuts. The racists do not think they can bring back blatant Jim Crow legislation, so they are chipping away at any and all actions that offer equality and dignity to non-white people. A strong parallel to how the GOP is rigging the elections to come.

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On 2022-01-17 at 8:47 AM, JCon said:

I don't think that would help the situation, IMO. He started the ball rolling on the white-supremacist authoritarian movement but they need someone else to get it completely installed. 

If Trump dies, he becomes a martyr and the movement goes on. 

If he sticks around, he fragments the GOP, the part of white supremacy, and ensures in-fighting and power control for years to come. 

Yeah dying makes him more powerful to the ignorant.  He needs to be prosecuted and fitted for an orange jumpsuit. And the  prosecute all the other enablers.

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1 hour ago, 17to85 said:

Yeah dying makes him more powerful to the ignorant.  He needs to be prosecuted and fitted for an orange jumpsuit. And the  prosecute all the other enablers.

But if he gets jailed will he not become a political prisoner to his base, railroaded by the corrupt justice system? And then if a Republican gets in, would he get a pardon? That would be nauseating. 

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42 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

But if he gets jailed will he not become a political prisoner to his base, railroaded by the corrupt justice system? And then if a Republican gets in, would he get a pardon? That would be nauseating. 

I agree that some hardcore Trumpers would but not all GOPers. Some are already moving on from him. He reignited the white-supremacist movement in the US and someone else will take over. They're lining up. 

If he dies, nothing he did illegally ever gets prosecuted. He just gets away with it. Sure, lots will be written, detailing all his crimes but they'll just dismiss it as political revenge. 

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actually, most americans, either party, want what Bernie stands for. single payer health care for example. but  they wont get anything.

Americans are fenced in by corruption. Every where you look, it's there in plain sight.

 

There are  no moves to the the good possible any more cause the net that has been built over the last thirty or forty years is far too comprehensive. 

municipal, state, national government, press, military, police, judiciary, church, education, all bases are covered by the corrupt.

Pretty frightening what horrors their supreme court is going to spew over the next few years

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Oath Keeper returned to Capitol on Jan. 7 for “recon” as group plotted weeks of battle: prosecutors. Group stockpiled weapons, ammunition and 30 days of supplies at a nearby hotel with an eye on Biden inauguration

A member of the Oath Keepers returned to the Capitol a day after the deadly Jan. 6 riot for "recon" as the group, which had stocked up a cache of weapons and ammunition, plotted to battle authorities for weeks, prosecutors said in a court filing.

Ed Vallejo, a 63-year-old Arizona man who was one of 11 Oath Keepers charged last week with seditious conspiracy and other crimes for their alleged efforts to use a campaign of violence to prevent President Biden from taking office, messaged his alleged co-conspirators after the Jan. 6 riot was dispersed to declare "we'll be back at 6 am to do it again," according to prosecutors. He returned to the Capitol on Jan. 7 and told others he was "waiting for orders from [Oath Keeper founder] Stewart Rhodes," who was also indicted last week.

"We are going to probe their defense line right now 6 am they should let us in. We'll see," Vallejo said in a Signal message to other members, according to the court filing.

Vallejo's team continued to reach out to Rhodes for "next steps" after the riot as other members "continued to make plans to stop the presidential power transfer, amass additional weaponry and tactical gear, and prepare themselves to deploy their arms, if necessary, to stop the inauguration of a new president," prosecutors said.

Oath Keeper returned to Capitol on Jan. 7 for “recon” as group plotted weeks of battle: prosecutors | Salon.com

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The Republican Party's new insidious invention: Election police
   
Republicans have been committing election fraud right out in the open since 1964 and covering it up by yelling about “voter fraud.”

Remember the hours-long lines to vote we’ve seen on TV ever since the 60s in minority neighborhoods? Those are no accident: they’re part of a larger election fraud program the GOP has used to suppress the vote for sixty years now.

This election year Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is raising the stakes: he’s planning to put together a force of “election police” under his personal command to travel the state intimidating voters while pretending to look for “voter fraud.”

As The Washington Post reports:

DeSantis is asking the GOP-controlled legislature to allocate nearly $6 million to hire 52 people to ‘investigate, detect, apprehend, and arrest anyone for an alleged violation’ of election laws. They would be stationed at unspecified ‘field offices throughout the state’ and act on tips from ‘government officials or any other person.’
Meanwhile, the GOP in Texas is quietly recruiting 10,000 white volunteers “courageous” enough to go into Black and Hispanic polling places and confront people trying to vote. As Jessica Corbett reported for Common Dreams:

Common Cause Texas on Thursday shared a leaked video of a Harris County GOP official discussing plans to ‘build an army’ of 10,000 election workers and poll watchers, including some who ‘will have the confidence and courage’ to go into Black and Brown communities to address alleged voter fraud that analyses show does not actually exist.
 

The Republican Party's new insidious invention: Election police - Alternet.org

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Donald Trump calls for racial violence: White supremacists are listening, but the media laughs

Most notably, during his Arizona speech Trump encouraged racist violence against Black and brown people. This is not an exaggeration. These were his actual words:

The left is now rationing lifesaving therapeutics based on race, discriminating against and denigrating — just, denigrating — white people to determine who lives and who dies. If you're white you don't get the vaccine, or if you're white you don't get therapeutics. It's unbelievable to think this. And nobody wants this. Black people don't want it, white people don't want it, nobody wants it. ... In New York state, if you're white, you have to go to the back of the line to get medical health — think of it, if you're white you go right to the back of the line. ... This race-based medicine is not only anti-American, it's government tyranny in the truest sense of the word.

White supremacists and other racial authoritarians and fascists listen closely to Trump's words, and take them seriously. This is literally a life and death matter.

Donald Trump calls for racial violence: White supremacists are listening, but the media laughs | Salon.com

 

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38 minutes ago, Tracker said:

Donald Trump calls for racial violence: White supremacists are listening, but the media laughs

Most notably, during his Arizona speech Trump encouraged racist violence against Black and brown people. This is not an exaggeration. These were his actual words:

The left is now rationing lifesaving therapeutics based on race, discriminating against and denigrating — just, denigrating — white people to determine who lives and who dies. If you're white you don't get the vaccine, or if you're white you don't get therapeutics. It's unbelievable to think this. And nobody wants this. Black people don't want it, white people don't want it, nobody wants it. ... In New York state, if you're white, you have to go to the back of the line to get medical health — think of it, if you're white you go right to the back of the line. ... This race-based medicine is not only anti-American, it's government tyranny in the truest sense of the word.

White supremacists and other racial authoritarians and fascists listen closely to Trump's words, and take them seriously. This is literally a life and death matter.

Donald Trump calls for racial violence: White supremacists are listening, but the media laughs | Salon.com

 

A system we thought had a rigorous set of checks and balances was always just smoke and mirrors.

The higher up you are, the more free wheeling you can do with limited consequences.

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20 hours ago, TrueBlue4ever said:

So Wisconsin Republican senator Ron Johnson put out a pointedly worded poll on Twitter. Needless to say it didn’t work out like he would have hoped. And of all the shade thrown his way, this response won the day. 
 

 

I would like to ask each Republican in the Senate, why do you oppose voting rights legislation?  Force them to put on the public record why they oppose  voting rights for all U.S. citizens.  Would they vote against  the Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts of the 1960’s?

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45 minutes ago, wpgallday1960 said:

I would like to ask each Republican in the Senate, why do you oppose voting rights legislation?  Force them to put on the public record why they oppose  voting rights for all U.S. citizens.  Would they vote against  the Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts of the 1960’s?

This is what they will all say: We don't, its our friends on the other side who are trying to rig the election.

And with that non-reality based drivel , they will freely be able to blither on with little counter other than a few huffs and puffs from the Dems. Pathetic and embarrassing as a fellow human being. 

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The GOP, for the most part have decided that they do not have to pretend to care about democracy, corruption or appearing racist. They believe they have gamed the system to the point where they  can be elected without being concerned about gaining the most votes or being prosecuted. Trump is a shining example of this.

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