do or die Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) Bottom line. Biden simply gives the Dems a better chance of holding the House and taking the Senate. The disappointment expressed today, from Trump and Republicans all down the line, about Super Tuesday results.....pretty well tells you..... all you need to know..... Edited March 5, 2020 by do or die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: Infinitely better than Trump though. With the exception of less than a handful issues ( which Trump talks about but doesn't actually do anything) establishment Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin. If people are expecting real change with Biden prepare to be bitterly disappointed. The notion of "if we could just beat Trump" ain't it's all cracked up to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Zontar said: With the exception of less than a handful issues ( which Trump talks about but doesn't actually do anything) establishment Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin. If people are expecting real change with Biden prepare to be bitterly disappointed. The notion of "if we could just beat Trump" ain't it's all cracked up to be. Agree that Biden won't move the needle. But getting rid of Trump is addition by subtraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, do or die said: Bottom line. Biden simply gives the Dems a better chance of holding the House and taking the Senate. The disappointment expressed today, from Trump and Republicans all down the line, about Super Tuesday results.....pretty well tells you..... all you need to know..... The idea of a long campaign with Biden's mental health state is a welcome prospect to them, Biden will motivate Dems and Dems only. To win Biden has to get undecideds . Jury is waaaay out on that. Loony left talk won't do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 Just now, Zontar said: The idea of a long campaign with Biden's mental health state is a welcome prospect to them, Biden will motivate Dems and Dems only. To win Biden has to get undecideds . Jury is waaaay out on that. Loony left talk won't do that. You expect a lot of loony left talk from Biden? What about Donald's mental state? Suspect that Dems will be quite motivated (getting rid of Trump) as well as the possibility of firing up the ole Obama coalition, (which Hillary put paid to) and most importantly the rapidly changing (demographics) suburbia ares. Of course time will tell..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, Zontar said: With the exception of less than a handful issues ( which Trump talks about but doesn't actually do anything) establishment Republicans and Democrats are two sides of the same coin. If people are expecting real change with Biden prepare to be bitterly disappointed. The notion of "if we could just beat Trump" ain't it's all cracked up to be. Ill settle for a President who isnt a serial sexual abuser, moron, and racist. Your standards are a lot lower as is the norm with the bulk of his supporters who share much of those moral shortcomings. A tree stump would be better than Trump. Its not even a debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 Just now, The Unknown Poster said: Ill settle for a President who isnt a serial sexual abuser, moron, and racist. Your standards are a lot lower as is the norm with the bulk of his supporters who share much of those moral shortcomings. A tree stump would be better than Trump. Its not even a debate. You forgot..... immature unstable megalomaniac narcissist . Cmon. Be Best. The Unknown Poster and blue_gold_84 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 1 minute ago, do or die said: You expect a lot of loony left talk from Biden? What about Donald's mental state? Suspect that Dems will be quite motivated (getting rid of Trump) as well as the possibility of firing up the ole Obama coalition, (which Hillary put paid to) and most importantly the rapidly changing (demographics) suburbia ares. Of course time will tell..... Possibly the best thing to happen is Trump wanting a debate on health & wellness of the candidates. The guy who stole medical records, had a fake doctor's assessment, bribed his other doctor to lie about his health, has had several unexplained trips to Walter Reed, continues to slur his words, forget whats he's talking about and have a big issue with facts. I mean really, it would be like if Bill Clinton accused his opponent of being a womanizer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, do or die said: You expect a lot of loony left talk from Biden? What about Donald's mental state? Suspect that Dems will be quite motivated (getting rid of Trump) as well as the possibility of firing up the ole Obama coalition, (which Hillary put paid to) and most importantly the rapidly changing (demographics) suburbia ares. Of course time will tell..... An explanation for when he said he would ban all fracking and gut other fossil fuel industries is bound to come up. He either has to reverse himself and alienate part of the progressive base and lose some progressive cred or sacrifice the votes of people who work in those industries which happen to be swing states. Ditto on guns. Edited March 5, 2020 by Zontar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: Ill settle for a President who isnt a serial sexual abuser, moron, and racist. Your standards are a lot lower as is the norm with the bulk of his supporters who share much of those moral shortcomings. A tree stump would be better than Trump. Its not even a debate. Man, wait till you hear about JFK, LBJ, Clinton.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Zontar said: Man, wait till you hear about JFK, LBJ, Clinton.. You can justify (and minimize) it all you want but it doesnt change who he is...or his supporters are. Edited March 5, 2020 by The Unknown Poster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: You can justify (and minimize) it all you want but it doesnt change who he is...or his supporters are. And you can't say horrible personal conduct matters for a president but also doesn't matter too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 Warren throws in the towel Blames sexism but won't endorse the last remaining woman in the race ( Gabbard) Phoney is as phoney does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Zontar said: And you can't say horrible personal conduct matters for a president but also doesn't matter too. The next time those three run for President, Ill take it under advisement. You seem to support that conduct right now. Why is it okay with you? Do you share those beliefs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Zontar said: Lol. "Orwellian" like: "districts that have been purposely flooded with illegal immigrants and allowing them to vote despite lack of citizenship?' Do you still believe that? It's not something you talk about anymore. blue_gold_84 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said: The next time those three run for President, Ill take it under advisement. You seem to support that conduct right now. Why is it okay with you? Do you share those beliefs? Or you can just read up. The relationship of private conduct and effective leadership is rarely clear cut. All three of those degenerates had, to varying degrees, successful presidencies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 hours ago, 17to85 said: Ignorance and small mindedness. The hallmarks of trump supporters. Terrified of the world moving forward. yup. it's typical GOPness, stoking up fear of a harmless minority to juice the base. In the 2000s it was "OMG the homosexuals are going to make gay marriage mandatory!" That was the way GWB got reelected, many states had "Defense of Marriage" stuff on the ballot to energize the phobe vote. They're running the exact same playbook today but it's the icky ***** trans nonbinary millennials that are the big problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, johnzo said: yup. it's typical GOPness, stoking up fear of a harmless minority to juice the base. In the 2000s it was "OMG the homosexuals are going to make gay marriage mandatory!" That was the way GWB got reelected, many states had "Defense of Marriage" stuff on the ballot to energize the phobe vote. They're running the exact same playbook today but it's the icky ***** trans nonbinary millennials that are the big problem. Defense of Marriage Act was also at the federal level. People with names like Clinton, Biden signed off on it. Edited March 5, 2020 by Zontar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Zontar said: When society is constantly re engineered to accommodate the latest identity politics fad, no matter how potentially damaging or ill conceived it ceases to be a personal , private opinion since as members of a society we all have a stake in what happens next. Please explain how it is potentially damaging to recognize that gender isn't as black and white as boy or girl. What harm comes from it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Zontar said: Defense of Marriage Act was also at the federal level. People with names like Clinton, Biden signed off on it. I understand the Democrats were also the pro-slavery party up until about 1960. ps. stop dodging the questions about illegal votes. do you believe that still? if not, what changed your mind? Edited March 5, 2020 by johnzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, 17to85 said: Please explain how it is potentially damaging to recognize that gender isn't as black and white as boy or girl. What harm comes from it? Because so much it is a mental state and not "science". A person can decide later it was a mistake but he is either chemically castrated , biomchemsitry altered or permanently disfigured by surgery. Puberty blockers on children and pre teens is criminal , imo, and in general the epitome of "anti-science". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, johnzo said: I understand the Democrats were also the pro-slavery party up until about 1960. ps. stop dodging the questions about illegal votes. do you believe that still? if not, what changed your mind? And some guy named Schumer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Zontar said: Because so much it is a mental state and not "science". A person can decide later it was a mistake but he is either chemically castrated , biomchemsitry altered or permanently disfigured by surgery. We should probably also outlaw vasectomies then. Why do we allow someone to cripple their body's regular function just because they have a mental state that says they don't want to father children? Vasectomies are difficult to reverse and plenty of people regret them. Google "vasectomy reversal" ... seems like there's money in untying those little tubes. (Love that the vasectomy doc in Winnipeg is a big radio sponsor of the Bombers. Dudes need to take ownership of family planning, don't just leave it to women.) Edited March 5, 2020 by johnzo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 54 minutes ago, Zontar said: Warren throws in the towel Blames sexism but won't endorse the last remaining woman in the race ( Gabbard) Phoney is as phoney does. Because she probably doesn't agree with her policies? You want Warren to vote for Gabbard just because she has a ******? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodyT Posted March 5, 2020 Report Share Posted March 5, 2020 I'm still holding out hope she's going to throw support for Bernie. The policies are so similar and if I wasn't a bernie fan, I'd be headed for Warren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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