bustamente Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 Put Trump on the stand and watch the buffoon stumble he way all the way to prison, GOP should be embarrassed by this wretch of a human being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 The idea that Ukraine eventually got the money therefore I did nothing wrong is stupid, hey I robbed a bank on Friday they didn't find out till this morning I got caught, I gave back the money, the bank has the money now so i did nothing wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) hey hey now everyone knows that Bolton is a war pig, one of the shitgoblins who masterminded the Bush Iraq War II and Zontar has been real consistent about not being a big fan of the war pig branch of the GOP. And when lefties say "hey let's hear what Bolton has to say under oath" that doesn't mean they're all big stans for him now. I would love to see Bolton's reputation completely ******* destroyed as part of this process, he's a dangerous man. The thing about Trump that's underplayed is how he campaigned against the Iraq War and in foreign wars in general and in this I was actually really strongly aligned with Trump ... and with Zontar, I think. There was a locked and loaded plan to disproportionally retaliate on Iran for the refinery attack, and Trump backed away from it at the last moment and I think that was actually a good moment for the country. The bar to generally dispatch the US military with live rounds and fire orders needs to be super high. Now that dude is playing drone footsie with Iran, who knows though. 1 hour ago, Zontar said: But it is all heresay Not one witness has proof of a direct order. They are all parotting what the other said. Cant build a case on assumption and supposition . THIS ISN'T A CRIMINAL TRIAL. The Senate "trial" is better understood as a firing process. One doesn't have to commit a crime to be impeached -- there's lots of impeachable conduct that is not against the law. For example, if the President sold New Orleans back to the French or announced they were moving the White House to Riyahd ... there is no law on the books against those things ... but Congress would probably step up to weigh in on the President's continued employment. And even if your premise were true and the trial were a criminal one, with the defendant protected by all the conventions and regulations of criminal law -- how do you think that mob bosses get prosecuted? Mob bosses never cut direct orders when criming. And yet there are mob bosses in jail. RICO prosecutions are a thing, and are constitutional per a bunch of Supreme Court rulings. Trump's people had a clear understanding of their working orders even without a smoking gun order. That's how a criminal syndicate works. Edited January 27, 2020 by johnzo blue_gold_84, Wanna-B-Fanboy and Wideleft 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 24 minutes ago, do or die said: Bolton stated before the House hearings that he wanted to testify. The White House indicated that they would initiate a lengthy court battle to prevent this. Wouldn't the Republicans be eager to discredit this stuff? But do they really want to know about what he (and other senior members of the administration) saw and heard? That is the issue here. Based on statement and (in) action....they seem pretty terrified at the prospect. Bolton is just echoing whats already been discredited. No need to be eager for testimony. Quit the contrary it would be just giving air time and sound bites for the media from a Trump hater. If he gets sworn in then either or both of the Bidens do too. Dems are royally spooked by that notion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 21 minutes ago, Zontar said: Bolton is just echoing whats already been discredited. No need to be eager for testimony. Quit the contrary it would be just giving air time and sound bites for the media from a Trump hater. If he gets sworn in then either or both of the Bidens do too. Dems are royally spooked by that notion. Who is royally spooked by the notion of witnesses? What have we been watching for months? So Trump's NSA at the time..... would just be giving "air time and sound bites for the media" You sound eerily, like a White House Spokesperson...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 I hve a feeling trump isn’t very smart. Maybe he should check with lawyer before tweeting. Oh never mind Wideleft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 21 minutes ago, do or die said: Who is royally spooked by the notion of witnesses? What have we been watching for months? So Trump's NSA at the time..... would just be giving "air time and sound bites for the media" You sound eerily, like a White House Spokesperson...... Basic politics. You don't go out of your way to give opponent the microphone and camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Poster Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 I hve a feeling trump isn’t very smart. Maybe he should check with lawyer before tweeting. Oh never mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 14 minutes ago, Zontar said: Basic politics. You don't go out of your way to give opponent the microphone and camera. You really think that the mic and camera is the only thing they are worried about? Bolton doesn't exactly fit the wide eyed, crazed leftist narrative does he? Uber right crazy, perhaps.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 38 minutes ago, do or die said: You really think that the mic and camera is the only thing they are worried about? Bolton doesn't exactly fit the wide eyed, crazed leftist narrative does he? Uber right crazy, perhaps.... No he fits the whack job swamp creature bent on revenge. As bad or worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Zontar said: No he fits the whack job swamp creature bent on revenge. As bad or worse. Funny, he was good enough to be hired by a stable genius, who only hires the right people..... As far as "the swamp".....one should take a closer look at past and present Trump Cabinet appointees. Wideleft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zontar Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 Just now, do or die said: Funny, he was good enough to be hired by a stable genius, who only hires the right people..... As far as "the swamp".....one should take a closer look at past and present Trump Cabinet appointees. A lot of Trump hires have been baffling. Bolton is at the top of the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 I don't think Pam Bondi is doing the GOP any favours... Wideleft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted January 27, 2020 Report Share Posted January 27, 2020 Quite the crew Trump has defending him.................................oh and they are bad at it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 24 minutes ago, bustamente said: Quite the crew Trump has defending him.................................oh and they are bad at it Amazing that they have let Hillary off the hook, so far.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 3 hours ago, do or die said: You sound eerily, like a White House Spokesperson...... Biden is not impeached, Trump is. This guy zontar dispenses so much horseshit, you need a road grader to move it out of the way. let's move on from him he influences nobody. Wideleft and The Unknown Poster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark F Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) to change the subject somewhat: Pinned Tweet Alexandria Ocasio-CortezVerified account @AOC 18 Jul 2019 Reminder of what people are calling the “radical, extreme-left agenda” : Medicare for All A Living Wage & Labor Rights K-16 schooling, aka Public Colleges 100% Renewable Energy Fixing the pipes in Flint Not Hurting Immigrants Holding Wall Street Accountable 55,289 replies 94,286 retweets 334,973 likes related: A person working full time on minimum wage in the US cannot afford rent for a one bedroom apartment. That is effectively publicly subsidizing whatever business that person works for. Edited January 28, 2020 by Mark F Wideleft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 Wanna-B-Fanboy and blue_gold_84 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnzo Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) The reason AOC is getting such fierce pushback as a wacko kook lefty uppity marxist-leninist is because these are some damn big money targets. There is just so much money metastasized into all of the current bad American solutions to these problems -- the ownership class is profiting on the flipside of every one of these bullet points and they can see looming threats on the horizon. Edited January 28, 2020 by johnzo Mark F 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 41 minutes ago, do or die said: Amazing that they have let Hillary off the hook, so far.... Biden is the new Hillary. blue_gold_84 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanna-B-Fanboy Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 (edited) What in the actual **** is Alan dershewitz arguing here? Obstruction of "Congress" is not a crime? damn... And the fact he is arguing that Abuse of Power and Obstruction of justice is not an impeachable offense is crazy. Looks like someone is trying really hard to convince the AG to stop any serious investigation into the Epstein murder... lol Edited January 28, 2020 by wanna-b-fanboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 Dershewitz wants Barr's job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17to85 Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 8 hours ago, Zontar said: If he gets sworn in then either or both of the Bidens do too. Dems are royally spooked by that notion. What the **** do the Bidens have to do with Trump obstructing congress or his abuse of power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bustamente Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 Just a matter of time before they all start turning on each other, everyday more and more info comes out and it's never positive for Trump, but now his cronies are getting dragged into this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do or die Posted January 28, 2020 Report Share Posted January 28, 2020 BIDEN IMPEACHED!! DEEP STATE THWARTED! HILLARY NEXT!! Mark F, Wanna-B-Fanboy and blue_gold_84 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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