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I am thinking that with his popularity dropping and him looking more and more guilty that the GOP will soon stop seeing him as a useful idiot and as a liability and will sell him down the river to save their own asses. They keep at the Trump thing leading into 2020 they'll probably get their asses handed to them and that's the one thing they can't stand. 

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Remember when he repeatedly denied this even happened?  Now his story is sure it happened but it was totally fine.  That will be his response to every accusation   Never xompaored with Russia will end up side we conspired with Russia but so what!

 

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21 hours ago, 17to85 said:

I am thinking that with his popularity dropping and him looking more and more guilty that the GOP will soon stop seeing him as a useful idiot and as a liability and will sell him down the river to save their own asses. They keep at the Trump thing leading into 2020 they'll probably get their asses handed to them and that's the one thing they can't stand. 

Observed a while back.... that there eventually would be a "tar baby" effect for the Republicans, on this.  It has taken much longer than I thought.....the willingness of senior Republicans in the House and Senate, to aid and abet Trump, while eating all his crap, has been astounding.   But there are limits to everything - soon these guys will have to worry more about the fate of the party, and much less about Donald Trump

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5 minutes ago, do or die said:

Observed a while back.... that there eventually would be a "tar baby" effect for the Republicans, on this.  It has taken much longer than I thought.....the willingness of senior Republicans in the House and Senate, to aid and abet Trump, while eating all his crap, has been astounding.   But there are limits to everything - soon these guys will have to worry more about the fate of the party, and much less about Donald Trump

Agree with all points here. Let's just hope that voters have a half-decent memory.

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Trump is so determined to try to own the narrative he happily confessed two two felonies in that tweet.

The difficult discussion for many is, should he be impeached for those two campaign finance violations?  On their face, the idea of a campaign finance violation sounds like a minor issue.  But they're felonies.  And in this case, the intent was clear - to influence the election.  The sheer horror and panic that must have swept through Trump and his inner circle when they realized two women might go public with stories of affairs right before the election....

So sure, impeach him.  I cant see the Senate convicting him for campaign finance violations.

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17 minutes ago, The Unknown Poster said:

Trump is so determined to try to own the narrative he happily confessed two two felonies in that tweet.

The difficult discussion for many is, should he be impeached for those two campaign finance violations?  On their face, the idea of a campaign finance violation sounds like a minor issue.  But they're felonies.  And in this case, the intent was clear - to influence the election.  The sheer horror and panic that must have swept through Trump and his inner circle when they realized two women might go public with stories of affairs right before the election....

So sure, impeach him.  I cant see the Senate convicting him for campaign finance violations.

I would like to see this go one of two ways:

Build the report, bring everything to light, put everything on the table and show the voters what is going on and what has happened- then let them run him out of office then have him jailed when out of office. 

 

The Dems should not force impeachment. They should make it clear and plain as day that they will support impeachment, but leave it up to the GOP to start the process and own it. 

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5 minutes ago, wanna-b-fanboy said:

I would like to see this go one of two ways:

Build the report, bring everything to light, put everything on the table and show the voters what is going on and what has happened- then let them run him out of office then have him jailed when out of office. 

 

The Dems should not force impeachment. They should make it clear and plain as day that they will support impeachment, but leave it up to the GOP to start the process and own it. 

The argument against that is, its actually a shirking of duty by Congress to decline to impeach.  Especially if the mood of the nation is one of weariness over this whole matter and the Dems see a political cost to taking Trump down.  Its almost a certainty that the majority would approve of Trump losing but it gets more complicated when it comes down whats seen as a political take down as opposed to an election take down.

If there is reasonable evidence that Trump committed crimes, would it not be the duty of Congress to impeach?  

I get the argument though.  The Republican's wanted Clinton booted from office for lying to Congress over an affair.  If Trump's crime was lying about having affairs, honestly, I wouldn't support impeachment for that.  Its complicated because you can make the case that the importance of holding a President accountable even for things like lying about an affair is because of the potential for extortion.  We hear that when talking about Russia and Trump and if he they have something on him.....the same could be said for Clinton if his enemies learned of the affair with Lewinski and he was lying under oath to hide it, he becomes a liability and open to blackmail.  So its important.

But you have to carefully consider the act of impeachment is to disregard the will of the people who elected him.  And it has to be so egregious that you can't simply allow the people to decide during the next election.  Action must be taken now.  And the steps to censure or criminally convict him.

That's, to me, the issue here.  What trump did is, in some ways, akin to what Clinton did.  He paid off women to hide an affair.  The difference is, Trump did it to avoid it coming out immediately before the election.  It still seems a bit willy nilly to me to remove him from office.  And the fact that we know he's everything that he is...so on one hand we can say, sure its willy nilly but he deserves to be turfed anyway.  That's dangerous.

With Clinton, I suppose we could agree what happened was perfectly acceptable.  He was impeached (because, afterall, he DID lie to Congress) but was not convicted in the Senate and thus, not removed from office.  

Trump probably does deserve the stain of impeachment.  

Removing him and potentially criminally convicting him?  I think that will take concrete evidence of collusion or support of collusion with Russia.

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21 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Trump has done enough already to justify impeachment, no idea why the repubs protect him so much.

I suspect it has to do with being able to dump all the garbage on trump. 

Trump does some pretty radical stuff and doesn't even bat an eyelash at. He is a great distraction while the really insidious stuff goes on in the background. 

ANy blowback will be foisted on trump- and as we've seen, very little of it sticks. He is the perfect political garbageman.

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30 minutes ago, 17to85 said:

Trump has done enough already to justify impeachment, no idea why the repubs protect him so much.

In theory I agree with you.  But you have to have hard evidence.  Being an ******* isnt impeachable.  Even being a racist and an idiot and incompetent arent reasons for impeachment. Those would be reasons for the electorate to vote for someone else (and for the party to choose not to nominate him).

As I recall reading, Nixon had wide support from the GOP during his Watergate scandal...but they soon turned with public opinion.  He resigned because he knew the Senate would convict him so he avoided the whole impeachment process.

He first switched VP's though as his original VP Spiro Agnew was involved in a kick back scheme and risked being impeached himself.  Even when he resigned, and Nixon had no VP, with the threat of Watergate looming, there was the chance of impeachment elevating a Democrat, Speaker of the House Carl Albert to the Presidency.

Albert could have thwarted Nixon's attempts to confirm a successful VP long enough to allow himself to be elevated.  But to his credit said not only would he not do that, he did  not think a Democrat should be elevated to the office when the people had voted for a Republican.  Had he become President, he'd have resigned as soon as a Republican VP had been confirmed and sworn in.

Somehow I dont think Nancy Polosi would do the same!

The point being, if Pence is roped into this thing (and he might be), you might see a scenario where both are impeached.  If both are successfully removed from office, Polosi would become President.  Unlikely but it almost happened once before.

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Yes.....so far, this we are only talking about the payments and cover up for affairs with porn stars and Playboy bunnies.  

But that said.... your have the prosecutors from Southern District of New York, the most prestigious federal prosecutors’ office in the country...asserting publicly  that Cohen acted in coordination with and at the direction of" Trump before the election in steering payments to silence Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal, about alleged affairs.   

Just no way they are going out on that limb, without corroborating evidence, already in the bag.  (Cohen, Enquire publisher, Trump CEO co-operation, and all the stuff swept up in the raid on his home and office)

This single prosecution does not include.......any other activities......like obstruction of justice, perjury, collusion, fraud, money laundering, influence peddling, kickbacks etc.  

How many of those could be considered impeachable offences?

Wait for it.....

 

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As we get closer to January and the new Congress taking over, you'll hear more and more people say that investigating Trump will hurt the Dems.  The will try to make that narrative stick.

I saw a tweet today with one of these guys who in 2015 said the Benghazi committee was a hit on Hilary but not saying, no you dont want to investigate Trump.  The GOP preys on the fairness of the left and the lack of killer instinct of the left.  The right wants to play dirty but only against an opponent who isnt playing dirty.

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1 minute ago, do or die said:

Yes.....so far, this we are only talking about the payments and cover up for affairs with porn stars and Playboy bunnies.  

But that said.... your have the prosecutors from Southern District of New York, the most prestigious federal prosecutors’ office in the country...asserting publicly  that Cohen acted in coordination with and at the direction of" Trump before the election in steering payments to silence Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougal, about alleged affairs.   

Just no way they are going out on that limb, without corroborating evidence, already in the bag.  (Cohen co-operation, and all the stuff swept up in the raid on his home and office)

This single prosecution does not include.......any other activities......like obstruction of justice, perjury, collusion, fraud, money laundering, influence peddling, kickbacks etc.  

How many of those could be considered impeachable offences?

Wait for it.....

 

Oh I agree.  I just want to be fair, to be honest.  And sort of look at this through the eyes of justice.  We can despise Trump but would we really convict him for paying off mistresses?  I think we need more (and I think its coming and if somehow Trump was smart enough to insulate himself from direct exposure, his kids are toast).

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9 hours ago, do or die said:

Trump's problem......at this point, it that no one of any real stature, wants to be his Chief of Staff. 

Be like diving straight into a mud hole.....or boarding a sinking ship.

I think a lot of people are afraid of getting drawn into investigations.  And then when you consider it a temporary job, how will it play in the private sector that you were a gate keeper for Trump?   I mean, I'd take the job and record everything and write a book and screenplay.  But thats me.

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