J5V
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805 out of 37,000,000 people and you bankrupt the CFL, not to mention all the other damage. Right.
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82% of Canada’s COVID-19 deaths have been in long-term care, new data reveals
So, that means what, 805 deaths have been outside of long-term care, and for that we're in danger of bankrupting the CFL?
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82% of Canada’s COVID-19 deaths have been in long-term care, new data reveals
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Dr. Anthony Fauci, whose “expert” advice to President Trump has resulted in the complete shutdown of the greatest economic engine in world history, has known since 2005 that chloroquine is an effective inhibitor of coronaviruses.
How did he know this? Because of research done by the National Institutes of Health, of which he is the director. In connection with the SARS outbreak – caused by a coronavirus dubbed SARS- CoV – the NIH researched chloroquine and concluded that it was effective at stopping the SARS coronavirus in its tracks. The COVID-19 bug is likewise a coronavirus, labeled SARS-CoV-2. While not exactly the same virus as SARS-CoV-1, it is genetically related to it, and shares 79% of its genome, as the name SARS-CoV-2 implies. They both use the same host cell receptor, which is what viruses use to gain entry to the cell and infect the victim.
- The Unknown Poster and Tracker
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A new study offers a glimmer of hope in the grim fight against the coronavirus: Nearly everyone who has had the disease — regardless of age, sex or severity of illness — makes antibodies to the virus.
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More from the "Great Leader"
https://torontosun.com/news/provincial/warmington-ford-said-not-to-go-to-cottage-then-went-himself
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China Study Finds 5% to 15% of Covid-19 Cases Are Reactivated
The rate of reactivation in China varied among different places, with some regions showing less than 1% of such cases among recovered patients, Wang Guiqiang, director of department of infection at the Peking University First Hospital. Wang disclosed the figures during a press conference held by China’s National Health Commission on Thursday.
Wang said most of the patients who have tested positive again have yet to show any symptoms, and it needs more work to find out the reason for the reactivation.
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58 minutes ago, Wideleft said:
We. Still. Don't. Know. If. Herd. Immunity. Works. With. COVID-19!
Infecting 75% of your population to test a hypothesis on a new lethal strain of virus is madness.
The potential level of oops is unfathomable.
If it didn't, wouldn't people be getting re-infected? Serious question. Of all the people that have had it and recovered, I haven't heard of any of them catching it repeatedly. Have you? There was one woman in Japan that thought she might have caught it twice but they're now skeptical, thinking she likely just never got over the first infection adequately.
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1 minute ago, Mr Dee said:
Someone had fun colouring..
"Among anti-herders, it is popular to compare the current number of Covid-19 deaths by country and as a proportion of the population. Such comparisons are misleading, as they ignore the existence of herd immunity. A country much closer to herd immunity will ultimately do better even if their current death count is somewhat higher. The key statistic is instead the number of deaths per infected. Those data are still elusive, but comparisons and strategies should not be based on misleading data just because the relevant data are unavailable.
While it is not perfect, Sweden has come closest to an age-based strategy by keeping elementary schools, stores and restaurants open, while older people are encouraged to stay at home. Stockholm may become the first place to reach herd immunity, which will protect high-risk groups better than anything else until there is a cure or vaccine."
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/04/29/delaying-herd-immunity-is-costing-lives/
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48 minutes ago, Mr Dee said:
In the United States, which has suffered the most coronavirus deaths, the toll per million inhabitants is lower than Sweden's at 219.
The head of Sweden's coronavirus response said in a new interview that the country's high death toll had "come as a surprise" and was "really something we worry a lot about. -Dr. Anders TegnellI had this very conversation with a fence post on my walk today, but it had a rigid stance about it.
I put a paper bag over it...just in case.
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20 minutes ago, Wideleft said:
I agree that the American economic and health care delivery models are so flawed that the country cannot withstand a temporary setback. But hey, stock markets are on the rise, so it's all good!
This is true and my heart really does go out to the decent, average, hard-working American people that are taking it on the chin right now. The stock markets are rising due to the influx of trillion of dollars in stimulus cash. What a bizarre scenario as the Fed prints cash and devalues the American dollar, the effects of which will be felt by virtually every economy in the world. Further, it is my understanding that only $150 billion of the nearly $3 trillion coronavirus relief package – a mere 5% – has been allocated to the 50 states and they are not allowed to use it where they need it most, to plug the holes in their budgets caused by the mandatory lock-down.
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25 minutes ago, Wideleft said:
And she makes a great point. By not only flattening the curve, but squashing it, her country is now way ahead in terms of getting back to normal, which makes investment more appetizing.
Same question, with no vaccine or natural immunity built up, what happens when the lock-down is lifted and their population has no protection against a wave of infections?
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Two things about New Zealand, they reacted very quickly in implementing their lock-down which resulted in a very fast suspension of infections. The question for them is the same as for any country that chose lock-down, without a vaccine or herd immunity, what happens when the next wave(s) comes?
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39 minutes ago, Wideleft said:
It's way too early to make any kind of determination as to what is/was the best approach. New Zealand pretty much kicked everyone else's ass by locking things right down immediately.
The U.S., the largest of the lock-down countries and the one that the world depends upon, has had more than 30 million people, 1/6th of their workforce, file for unemployment benefits. My gawd that's a staggering number of people. Millions more workers have lost their employment but have not filed claims because of their immigration status or because they were self-employed, contract workers or others who typically are not eligible. Further, EPI estimated 12 million workers did not file claims because state unemployment claims systems were overwhelmed making it too difficult. Economists believe the real jobless rate is quickly reaching the record 25.6 percent at the height of the Great Depression. The U.S. economy, under this lock-down, shrank by a 4.8 percent annual rate in the first quarter of this year and it is predicted it may shrink at a 40 percent annual rate in the second quarter, a collapse without precedent. EPI further estimates that due to this lock-down 12.7 million workers have lost employer-paid medical insurance in the midst of the pandemic, the worst health crisis in 100 years, meaning countless families face the impossible choice of forgoing treatment or facing crippling debts. The economic fallout of this lock-down is spiralling upwards as deaths soar. Surely this is a disaster.
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38 minutes ago, Wideleft said:
It's way too early to make any kind of determination as to what is/was the best approach. New Zealand pretty much kicked everyone else's ass by locking things right down immediately.
"The opposition, led by National party leader, Simon Bridges, reversed earlier support for Ardern on the need for a lockdown. Business owners felt as though they were “sacrificial lambs” due to the shutdown measures, Bridges told a parliamentary committee."
“I now worry that the harm of staying in lockdown will be greater than if we were to come out,” Bridges wrote in a post on his Facebook page on Monday. “We will no doubt see a rise in mental health problems and stress related illnesses.”
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8 minutes ago, Mr Dee said:
Not quite.
I think if we are to reach a new normal, Sweden represents a model if we wish to get back to a society in which we don’t have lockdowns,” Ryan said.
Also, Sweden’s approach has been criticized by 2,300 academics who penned a letter last month calling for the government to reconsider its loose restrictions, Agence France-Press reported.
👁🗨 May 7 24,623 cases, 3040 deaths.
Yes, and they have stayed the course despite mounting, spiteful pressure, and have since won endorsements from a number of eminent academics and professionals, like Professor Heneghan who hailed Sweden for “holding its nerve,” in the face of such public condemnation and western mainstream, and even the UN itself, are acknowledging their success.
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16 hours ago, Noeller said:
There's no vaccine YET but there will be one. Life will not fully return to normal until that vaccine is ready and available to the world. Hopefully this calendar year but might not be until sometime in 2021... Until that time, we'll continue to live this "new normal".
Despite many years of research, no vaccines were ever developed for malaria, dengue, HIV/AIDS, or coronaviruses.
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5 hours ago, Wideleft said:
How can you claim they got it right when no one even knows whether people gain immunity after suffering their first infection while also ignoring one of the highest mortality rates in the world.
If you listen to the interview I posted the gentleman says they tested a bunch of people in Germany and found a 15% infection rate. Go to about the 1:20 mark and you'll hear him describe what happened. They found those people had antibodies present for the virus. They took those antibodies and placed them in a dish with live covid-19 viruses and the antibodies destroyed the virus. What does that suggest to you? To me it suggests that upon exposure to the virus on a healthy human body that body will produce antibodies that are effective at destroying the virus. In this way, herd immunity develops and indeed, epidemiological science supports that conclusion. Sweden's approach has been to protect the most vulnerable while allowing the strong and healthy to go about their business. The side effect of that approach involves developing herd immunity which should negate the problematic approach that we have taken in regards to lockdowns and the threat of second or third waves of infection upon release from the lockdown. Sweden's approach did not include locking down their society and economy yet they have been able to not overwhelm their health system by following some simple guidelines like hand washing, social distancing, no hand shaking, etc. They realize now, hindsight always being 20-20, that they needed to do a much better job protecting their elderly which has resulted in the vast majority of their spike in deaths but this doesn't mean that their approach was wrong, just that they needed to do better. As time goes by, and this was hinted at by WHO Executive Director, Mike Ryan, Sweden's approach will be the model that we all should have followed.
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So far only Sweden has got this right, for the most part. They screwed up in not protecting the elderly better and have acknowledged such. But they have managed to protect their population from future spikes by exposing it to the virus and encouraging the development of antibodies to build herd immunity without overwhelming their health system, without lock-downs, and all while keeping their economy running. Bravo!
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9 minutes ago, TrueBlue4ever said:
Since you bypassed the first half of the video, here is part of what she is referring to, based on the doctor she name dropped.
Yes I've seen this before. Here's a bit more from a front-line physician ...
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Let's see, the report takes the 2-4% (phony) provided death rate, but accepts it, uses the 2% number to flatter the numbers in your favor even more, and comes up with a death number way higher than reality. What happened there? LOL!
If even 2% was accurate the death count should be WAY higher than it is. I guess that's why they took it easy on you and didn't use your 4%, eh? LOL!
Then they go on to project those PROVIDED numbers against the real infection rate and exposes the lie. Hello?
I guess that's why you aren't arguing the data, just attacking the source. LOL. So dumb. The mediabias website, as if that's the holy grail of objectivity, rates them "mixed". Hardly a damning indictment. Geez, awesome arguments. Talk about bias. Just sad.
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The Experts Have No Idea How Many COVID-19 Cases There Are
"In the early days of the COVID-19 panic—about three weeks ago—it was common to hear both of these phrases often repeated:
"The fatality rate of this virus is very high!"
"There are far more cases of this out there than we know about!"
The strategy of insisting that both these statements are true at the same time has been used by politicians to implement "lockdowns" that have forced business to close and millions to lose their jobs. For instance, on March 12, Ohio Department of Health director Amy Acton insisted that "over 100,000" people are "carrying this virus in Ohio today." The state began to implement "stay-at-home" lockdown orders that day.At the time, the World Health Organization (WHO), the media, and others were reporting that 2 to 4 percent of people with COVID-19 would die. Taking the low-end 2 percent number, and allowing for an incubation period, this would mean that two weeks after Acton's announcement—assuming that the lockdown was 100 percent effective and not a single additional person caught the disease—two thousand Ohioans would likely be dead of COVID-19. But as of April 17, more than a month later, and after a month of the disease spreading through grocery stores and other "essential" areas of commerce, about 418 Ohioans have died of COVID-19.
Clearly, something doesn't add up."
"we get at least 990,000 infections in the U.S. The number of cases reported on March 19 in the U.S. was 13,677, more than 72-fold lower. These numbers imply a fatality rate from Covid-19 orders of magnitude smaller than it appears….If our surmise of six million cases is accurate, that’s a mortality rate of 0.01%, assuming a two week lag between infection and death. This is one-tenth of the flu mortality rate of 0.1%.
https://mises.org/wire/experts-have-no-idea-how-many-covid-19-cases-there-are
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Hey! I'm locked in my house. It's Ford and Trudeau going to the cottage.