66 Chevelle
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the reason why NFL fans don't care about the CFL is because they aren't aware of the CFL... true story... as a life long NFL fan I can tell you that I had completely forgotten that the CFL even existed... if it weren't for my favorite college player coming to Canada to play it still wouldn't have been on my radar...
there is absolutely zero sports talk about the CFL in the states... sure, ESPN carries a hand full, maybe 4 games a year on the deuce, there is no media coverage here... if ESPN Sportscenter were to actually have coverage of the league during the season I believe you'd see a large spike in interest...
Maybe Ambrosie could pursue getting ESPN to actually include the CFL in there "world wide sports coverage"... just a thought...
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getting more interesting now... all NCAA basketball tournaments, both men and women, conference and national play, will play in front of no crowd...
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Seattle will be playing in front of a crowd of 0 this week, per the governor... game still televised...
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4 hours ago, GCn20 said:
Nationwide total viewing doesn't mean bupkus. Market saturation is what's important. % of people watching is what the networks care about. Canada may have similar TV numbers nationwide but has a 90% smaller TV viewership. Therefore, TSN can sell ad space at a much higher rate for it's CFL broadcasts then what the American channels can ask for a very small TV market share.
I do agree that this league seems like it may survive past the one year mark. However, I am sure it is hemorrhaging money right now and will likely have to make some tough decisions after year one likely on player salaries.
i'm pretty sure that's not how it works... from an advertiser's point of view I'm sure that there is a formula that probably goes something like "% of total viewers=number of related sales" ... if that weren't the case there would be absolutely no need to track overall viewership and you would only see veiwership numbers in relationship to potential markets...
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11 hours ago, M.Silverback said:
That's fair. I'd say we're threatened in the sense that if the XFL does succeed it will impact the CFL in terms of recruiting or retaining talent. Hasn't happened yet to any large extent though.
That's great! I think that speaks more to St. Louis being an excellent sports city than the draw of the XFL or the quality of play. St. Louis should have an NFL team. Shameful that they don't.
I think the XFL is doomed to fail, despite some good markets like St. Louis, and despite potential streaming revenue. The CFL is around the same scale in terms of attendance, TV, etc. But, it's apples and oranges. The CFL is an entirely different game, also showcasing Canadian talent. It will always have a draw to Canadians. And the TSN numbers look small, but considering the population, aren't bad. TSN also renewed their contract, so they must be doing alright with it. I know many fans who prefer Canadian football to American. The XFL is a vastly inferior version of the NFL, unlikely to have any star or high profile players emerge. Maybe a few that end up on an NFL roster. I don't think American fans will watch or support that in the long term. It also doesn't have the appeal of supporting a favorite college team, even if the level of play is decent.
And no hating here. Thanks for the insights from someone who has been to an XFL game.
the point I was attempting to make wasn't that the TV ratings for the CFL were small but that the CFL is able to be viable with that level of veiwership... given the similarities in league cost per team, etc., one could draw the inference that another league in a different market could possibly do the same with similar numbers...
however, for anyone to believe that the XFL was going to come out of the gates and put a product on the field to rival the NFL, CFL, or even a major college program were simply fooling themselves... after all, the NFL has been in existence 100 years, the CFL for 107 years, and the NCAA for 150 years... the XFL... 4 weeks... but to think that there isn't dropped balls, interceptions, and at times just poor play in general in any of the aforementioned leagues is equally as foolish...
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44 minutes ago, Geebrr said:
I don't find the XFL threatening any more than the AFL is threatening.
So...
No.
didn't the AFL end in 1969 when it merged with the NFL?
bottom line is, I'm a fan of football... I follow high school football, NCAA football, NFL, CFL, and now the XFL... and not necessarily in that order... I follow NCAA and CFL at a much higher level of interest than I do the NFL... I've actually watched every CFL game during the past 3 seasons...
in all honesty, I see the XFL much like the CFL in terms that it more accessible and affordable for the common man to be involved in and support... I'm not sure why that's a bad thing...
- JCon and M.Silverback
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1 minute ago, Bigblue204 said:
Calm down old timer it was joke
you calling me old? lol... it's all good...
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2 hours ago, Tracker said:
And then there are the majority who do not give a rat's butt about the latest XFL ego-trip debacle.
yet someone here created a thread to talk about it... and you come here and read it... and respond to it... you must have at least an inkling of an interest, wouldn't you say?
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reading on a text based message board... imagine that... who would have thought...
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15 minutes ago, JuranBoldenRules said:
Why is that?
No matter where the teams are it’s a TV product.
The were actually really smart to get a team in St. Louis and Seattle. Seattle is a great sports TV market for some reason. St. Louis obviously didn’t have a pro team at all.
The only places I might or avoided are LA and NY. San Diego might have been a better option.
because it doesn't matter how big the market is if nobody cares in said market... LA was and is going to be a dog regardless of how good or bad the product is, they can't even support an NFL team the majority of the time... NY is another place that should have been avoided given all of the current pro teams they as well and given the possibility of bad weather would you expect someone from NY to go to the games?
much like Toronto, if the local market doesn't show up to the games, those outside that market become indifferent to watching or supporting that team as well... empty seats tells people that the product isn't worth tuning in for, whether it's true or not...
even though Dallas isn't doing terrible in attendance I would have avoided them as well, especially when you had another Texas location that proved the year before that they would support a spring league with big numbers in San Antonio... San Diego would have been a good choice as well... then I would have looked at maybe Oakland instead of LA... with them losing the Raiders and their track record for supporting football it would have been a much better choice for a California location...
last week's NY/LA game, The top 5 local markets were: Cleveland (2.4 rating), Houston (2.4), Nashville (2.4), New Orleans (2.4), and Buffalo (2.3). No one from NY or LA watching...
the DC/TB game, The top 5 local markets were: Tampa-St. Pete (2.4 rating), Cincinnati (1.8), Buffalo (1.4), St. Louis (1.4), and Ft. Myers-Naples (1.3).
the SEA/STL game, Top Markets: St. Louis (8.1/20), Seattle (3.7/11), Memphis (2.6/5), Dallas (2.0/6), Atlanta (2.0/6) and Cleveland (2.0/5)
the DAL/HOU game, Top Markets: Houston (3.27), St. Louis (1.63), Austin (1.59), Dallas (1.56), Jacksonville (1.23)
as you can see, LA, NY, or DC didn't even crack the top 5 of any game let alone their own team's game...
also, the TV ratings aren't as bad as some would like to believe... it has as much to do with the channel they are on as it does the games themselves... right now games are on 5 different networks, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but when you look at the overall numbers it tells you the network airing the games does play into the success of the broadcast... if the XFL were on only ABC and FOX , you much like how the NFL does it's TV scheduling, the numbers would be a lot more impressive... ESPN does decent but ESPN2 and Fox Sports are a harder sell, the numbers bear it out regardless of the match up... for instance...
ABC has had 5 games in the first 4 weeks, veiwer totals were 3.3M, 2.1M, 2.4M, 1.9M, and 1.6M or an average of 2.3M per game viewing...
FOX has had 5 games as well, viewer totals were 3.3M, 3.4M, 2.3M, 2.1M, and 1.8M, or an average of 2.6M per game viewing...
ESPN has had 2 games, viewer totals were 2.5M and 1.5M, or an average of 2.0M per game viewing...
but when you drop down to FOX Sports you see drastically different results from the same game and teams... they have had 3 games, 1.4M, 1.0M, and 1.1M, or an average of 1.2M per game...
ESPN2 has had only 1 game that drew 1.0M...
I guarantee you that both ABC and FOX , and even ESPN, are more than tickled with the ratings... ESPN2 and FS1 drags the overall numbers down...
but even so, last Sunday's game on FS1 only drew 1,1M viewers, which was actually up 11% from the week's before game of 1.0M viewer, it still ranked 7th out of 150 cable tv shows on Sunday... also, it pushed FS1 to #1 in viewership among cable sports networks between 4-7pm
ESPN2's game on Sunday between between DC and TBay had the lowest ratings of any game so far this season, only 1.0M, yet their prime time telecast was ranked 9th out of 150 Cable TV programs.
attendance at St. Louis was been so good that they are opening up and selling tickets in the upper bowl on the 'home side' for the rest of the year... the Bombers only had 1 home game last year that drew more fans than either of their first 2 home games and that was the Banjo Bowl...
with a little tweaking along the way this league has a legit chance of making it... in most likelyhood it will fail like all others have but it's not as grime and dire and most haters would like to believe... I watched both games yesterday and they were fun to watch... you have to remember that most football fans are not nearly as critical of the game as those of us that spend time here... it doesn't have to be the best football, just entertaining football...
I've been to all 4 of St. Louis' games this year, enjoyed each one of them... I've even have suite for all of their home games and I can promise you is absolutely no need to have crowd noise piped in at St. Louis... in fact, you'll see even the home team having to cover the ear holes on their helmet to hear the play call...
but I get it, some feel threaten by the new league, or simply feel their is no way it could ever succeed but remember, the CFL only has 9 teams and has been around for 107 years yet they only average 4,000 more fans per game than a 4 week old league... TV numbers aren't even close... through the first 4 games of last season the CFL average around 500,000 viewers per game... if the CFL game survive on those numbers I find it interesting that many here don't believe that the XFL could as well... it will never be the NFL, but no one will ever be the NFL, but if the numbers maintain they have a real chance of making a go of it...
alright... hating starts.... NOW! lol...
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If the XFL fails it won't because of the time of the year or the quality of the game, it will be the markets that Vince chose to locate teams...
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I'll be in Dallas for game 1, Houston for game 2, and St. Louis for games 3 and 4... I'll let you know how it goes... being told that the first home game in St. Louis is expected to be a sell out...
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3 hours ago, GCn20 said:
Chris is clearly in the first couple years of marriage before the Fun Police has eviscerated the boy inside the man. Nichols has been married a few and his succubus...I mean wife...has clearly drained his zest for life and it is reflected by the distant look of sadness in his eyes. A telling trait of marriage single guys...when some married guy tries to tell you marriage is the best thing they've ever done...just look at their dim, sad eyes and know that is what their wife programmed them to say.
you know why a divorce cost so much?
because they're worth it...
- Fred C Dobbs, MOBomberFan, GCn20 and 1 other
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38 minutes ago, White Out said:
So the frame and the print and the plates with the score cost me in total $50. I'm going to fidget around with the placement of the confetti otherwise I'm pretty happy
nice job and a great way to memorialize the entire event! adding the engraved plate was a nice touch!
if you have issues with your inserts staying in play you may think about doing something like a blue and gold double matting with pockets cut in the matting to keep things where you want them... for me, it seems short of using some sort of adhesive, which would ultimately damage your print, inserts will eventually move around in the frame... just a suggestion...
but you did a really nice job with it and very reasonably!
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2 minutes ago, Geebrr said:
Go back to your original definition and fact check that statement.
Just understand that I won't be replying as this conversation bores the **** out of me as opinions can sure as **** be wrong.
don't need too... I've provided more than enough narrative to support my statement... but, nice chat... lol...
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Just now, Geebrr said:
Ah, so the content of opinions can be wrong.
I agree.
This has been an annoying 30 minutes.
only when there is an element of fact that is either true or false used to support one's opinion... which technically no longer makes it merely an opinion... but yeah, sure... lol...
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2 minutes ago, Geebrr said:
In my opinion they are real, not fictional.
By your definition I can't be wrong. You can't prove I don't believe they exist.
no, by your definition you're right, not mine... you made a statement, "smurfs are real", I provided you a reference from a generally accepted source that your statement of fact is wrong...
now, if you would have said "I'd like to believe that Smurfs are real" I couldn't take issue with it as you gave an opinion, not stating a fact easily disproved... I can't prove how you feel, I can prove that a statement present as fact is incorrect...
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Just now, Geebrr said:
Meaning I have the right to an opinion, it isn't true or false, it just is.
Simple really. Did the community college not go into that?
no, actually it is false...
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while it may not be Webster, Wikipedi has the following to say about those adorable little blue things...
"The Smurfs is a Belgian comic franchise centered on a fictional colony of small, blue, human-like creatures who live in mushroom-shaped houses in the forest."
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Just now, WBBFanWest said:
Let's just focus on smurfs for now.
lol... ok...
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2 minutes ago, Geebrr said:
Smurfs are real. That is my opinion. I cannot be wrong.
can you prove that? you are not providing an opinion, that is a statement of fact... you seriously can't see the difference?
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4 minutes ago, Geebrr said:
That is what I have been saying. The existence of an opinion cannot be true or false. The content certainly can.
care to explain what the hell that means?
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3 minutes ago, 17to85 said:
People confuse the fact that they are entitled to an opinion with the idea that because they can have an opinion that it's also true.
Not the case. Opinions can and are frequently wrong no matter how you feel about them
no, people confuse the fact that when they include a element of an actual fact to support their opinion that it's no longer merely an opinion and can be wrong because the fact you included to justify your opinion is wrong...
CFL/XFL Exploring Alignment
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it's sad that the entity that holds the exclusive rights to televise the CFL can't find value in promoting the product... if they are claiming that the current numbers don't support inclusion then not including them will do nothing to grow those numbers... it's like they've given up... on the other hand, maybe it speaks to their confidence in there being a 2021 season... either way it's disappointing...