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on on doug was laughing at thomas on a play where he was in a 2 point stance, barely got out of his stance by the time the ball got out and still got turned and tossed on his butt.

It better be a dog fight, but if this coaching staff is back, it won’t be. Totally agree about the complacency.

not like we have a ton of horses to pair him with or protect him. Or some great farm to sell. That said, we need to do some thing and options are very few. His previous deals he very high guaranteed floors too.

Re Zach: Under contract means whatever guaranteed money he has is sunk, but it doesn't mean we have to or even should keep him. He's way overpaid for his performance.

Another option: do the team a solid by taking a pay cut so they can spend in FA & get him some help.

His options are: retire, ask for a trade or play for the Bombers. I do not know who would be interested enough in him to offer a trade of value.

I could go out there and try my hardest, does that mean I should have a spot? Thomas plays nearly every god damned snap and even at his peak he was just a depth guy. Huge problem. Willie is problem too because he doesn't put in the effort. They both need to be gone next year IMO.

Jake getting contributing 9 tackles in 18 games despite playing a large percentage of snaps isn't an issue? Disagree. I agree that Willie also doesn't contribute enough for the paycheck he's getting. On the D, I get that JY's scheme is different but is it one that is going to work?

I wonder what Zach options are? Under contract for next year. Is he planning to retire? Ask for a trade? Agree with @wbbfan, don't want to trade Zach and Elgersma. Agree with @Noeller on the injury concern with Brown.

Bust his ass still resulted in being manhandled on practically every play. Busting one’s ass means nothing if it doesn’t produce anything which is true for any job. And this isn’t an either/or, it’s both, as in both need to go.

Count me out for trading Elgersma. He's the only guy that is really exciting me as a future QB for us. We need to go all in on rebuilding our o line and then pass the torch to Elgersma.

I love Dru Brown but his injuries are piling up, and I wouldn't be selling the farm for him at this point...

I’d take any of those out comes over running it back yet again. As far as trading Id prefer to include manu than elgersma. I love manu, but I’d rather stack it up at qb right now. Retiring, Idk who to we would pivot to. I just hope not the pest from toronto

Both lines need a complete overhaul, I think Collaros is done as a Bomber the OC did nothing to warrant being retained. This team has some really good players but the team also has many positions that need to be upgraded.

Traded to Ottawa with Elgersma for Dru Brown and an OL but likely means his option is retirement. I wonder if there’s an option to become QB coach here. Zach seems like a guy who could be a coaching candidate.

People can **** on Jake but the problems on D aren’t on Jake. Jake’s skill level isn’t there but the guy busts his fat ass every play, he doesn’t win his battle often but he tries his hardest. Then you got a guy like Willie. A guy who takes several plays a game off, every game. I’m not sure what the bigger problem in the room would be. Dude trying every play or dude taking plays off every other play. Willie goes for knockdowns. You know how ridiculous that is that they allow this? How sad that is that they can’t get consistent effort from him but are seemingly ok with it ? Then ppl ***** about Jake cuz I dunno , cuz ppl rather a team of guys who only try sometimes. Willie is a guy im letting go. His attitude and work ethic are toxic to young players. Has to be. Jake is gone also tho. But not related at all. Jake is gone cuz skill don’t match the heart. Willie gone cuz heart don’t match the skill. There’s a few players on the team who fall in that heart don’t match the skill category. Sounds crazy but I’ll take a Jake who tries over a Willie who don’t. But it’s probably time to change the culture a bit more. Skill needs to match heart and heart needs to match skill. Give me a team of guys who gives a **** and play to the whistle.

yep, he also said he has options, so maybe it means he is willing to be waived/opt out etc

yeah but does Vancouver really want an MLB team?

only his first year, he played a few games while couture was out. Eli hasn’t been useless, he’s been so so as a guard when pressed into limited used, though he was good last night. He has been excellent as the 6th ol in heavy sets

It’s not tho cuz you don’t make those decisions plus the problem isn’t Jake on D. Last night our DBs got owned and our lbs couldn’t tackle. Our DL did nothing all year outside of a nothing game last week. So no Adams doesn’t make a lick of a difference, if he was this stud like ppl pretend he’d be starting not on the PR. Not about to be a free agent. Out the league. Could have been swooped the last 5 weeks but nope. The fringe player didn’t cost us any games. Our “stars” did. Brady put the ball on the ground. Willie being paid more than Jake ,did the same as Jake. I mean, I get it, I want the DL to be more impactful and aggressive also but it’s JY not RH. JYs D don’t really do that. But when you get down to it, Jake isn’t good but he tries every play. He tries his hardest. That’s more than you can say for Willie and a few others who constantly take plays off.

So instead of trying him, or someone else we just stick with the suck? Also we didn't need Jake as a Canadian for the ratio so it is absolutely a valid comparison.

On O new OC and scheme would go along way new tackle guard center. (Vanterpool takes one spot there) (Bryant kola neuf are done) 1 maybe 2 receiver spots. I like pokey Demski sterns and the Canadians. We need an upgrade on Mitchell tho badly. Big time. QB 2. most the changes I see are on D. The entire DL. Kyrie Wilson. A couple DBs. Maybe it’s time to find a Canadian kicker. American kicker who only boots fgs is a poor roster spot to waste. keep. Zach (pay cut) Brady. Peterson. MCI Vanterpool Wallace Randolph. pokey. Sterns. Demski. Clercius. Cobb. Corcoran (he was the rookie) Jenkins. Jaworski. KMB Shay. Smith. Kramdi. Woodbey. Ayers. holm. Nichols( maybe, he’s getting older tho) I’m not sold on Allen but he can he brought back to compete . Sheahan can come back. Vaval and Leroux also. I’m missing a bunch of Canadians for sure cuz not like there a million that make it to FA so gotta keep some of the depth but who? Good question. Vibert and guys like that.

ALS or Ticats will beat the riders on the final. BC ain’t winning in the cold next week. No chance. No chance in hell. They barely beat Calgary who struggled mightily in the first half. And that was indoors. They ain’t winning. I also don’t see it with Montreal tho. I think Alexander is lots of hype but 1 second away from serious injury every play. Someone is gonna end him one time. He just plays with 2 much aggression. It’s not gonna end well for him.

It doesn’t matter what I think. I’m not the one making the decisions and won’t be ever. It matters what they think and he’s on the PR. Adams is American tho and Jake is Canadian so the comparison don’t work. Just cuz one guy sucks doesn’t mean the guy behind him is a stud.

Are we pretending the Jays don’t spend the same or more. This just proves that Toronto is the city of chokers. I’ve never seen more teams blow leads than a Toronto one does. Something in the air or water there. We need a west coast team to cheer for.