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Actually, Marner is excelling in the playoffs now that he is away from the Makebeleafs.

We have Vbert but no idea how good he is.

At least modify the no trade list where a player only has an option to identify say three teams as a no go (and yes Winnipeg may make that list frequently but at least it makes the player think it thru a bit more).

Perkins looked better and did more in one quarter than Wilson did in 3 seasons.

Elgersma has all the tools. With Collaros & Condell tutoring him he'll be fine. Just needs time as you say.

I agree, wbbfan. This is a discussion forum. Basically being told to shut up & just appreciate what we have doesn't cut it here.

2 drops and a bunch of bad decisions. I’m very high on him but let’s give him some time.

What did you love about Shay? The only times I noticed him was when he tried to blitz.

I'm not certain about that. Game 2 will be very very important.

Both backup QBs showed glimpses. I liked Perkins as 2nd string game 1. He looked much more confident; did a good job moving around despite the pressure and generally looked more CFL ready. Elgersma certainly has the raw tools and showed good accuracy. I think we can be a bit patient with him. But who knows what preseason game 2 will hold. Should we legitimately be looking at Andrews for the punter position? Those punts were massive. And good positions too.

Elgersma will be QB2. Lots of drops on easy catches by recievers.

Tui didn't play much but he was not good...worse than Kola bad...still early tho. It was mental mistakes and that probably from being less than 2 weeks on the job. Hes gotta get better before the season tho

We all know the reasons why ZC had a resurgence after he came here in 2019. Top notch pass pro, a great running game and sure-handed receivers who also played the game tough as nails and complimented his style of play. The past 2 seasons, they have not provided him with anything even close to that. In fact, the offensive rostering and planning has been borderline inexplicable.

MLB may have something similar. Otherwise, not sure. I just know the NTL is a detriment.

Elgersma, yeah pretty much. We will see how game 2 goes but I think he will essentially be qb3. If perkins’s runs short yardage maybe they’ll roster elgersma as 2 but functionally use perkins as 2. I’m not worried about eli yet, he barely played C. Ellsbury played most of the snaps. But his performance sure does lead to us being thin at C.

mos doesn’t care about what fans or media has to say about the club. Maybe read the last paragraph, instead of jumping to strawman arguments, and bitching for the sake of bitching to avoid actually talking about football.

yep. In theory he could, in practice probably not, in reality not any time soon. his velocity is fine. he needs touch and accuracy improvements, and decision making improvements. which you expect from a first game qb. he had some good throws and while he has limitations, his strengths still make him very useful.

I agree. I'd love to hear the Xs and Os too, but I completely agree that a bunch of fans with a limited knowledge of them would start spewing hate if he shared.

The way you guys like to pick everything apart, not saying much is probably the smartest thing MOS can do. We could always try the maple leafs approach of letting the fans and media chase guys out of town they don't can do their jobs. Very successful in getting rid of guys without the right stuff for the playoffs like Mitch Marner. Take a breath and enjoy the team for what it is. Plenty of time for bitching once the games actually start 😂

Elgersma needs a lot of seasoning, and i believe he will work hard. Realistically, he should be 3rd string. He may throw great in practice but the game is moving too fast for him right now. Loved Smith/Shay/Singer Very worried about Tui. He needs to be a lot better.

NHL is only league with no trade list right?

Brady wasn't getting a lot either. Sask is pretty good at mucking up the middle. Certainly isn't going to improve much over the course of this season. He did make some nice throws down field into tight spots. Probably speaks to his accuracy and quick decisions more than anything.

Is it, at 29? I think he is what he is and you just find a way to work with that.

Perkin's arm strength is improvable, but he is going to have to work at it. Dieter Brock had a so-so arm and in the off season he went home, practiced throwing shot put weights and had a monster year.

Agreed. Anyone can have an off year, but two bad years back to back are a pattern. Yes, the OC and O-line were poor last year, but a pattern is a pattern and Zach has a history of injuries that are increasingly difficult to bounce back from. Elgersma looks like he could be our QB of the future and he didn't arrive any too soon.