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Ok which one should be let go, in your opinion? I think it's a bit too early to judge their work. It's not their fault that the cupboard was bare when they showed up. We should have had more 2nd year guys ready to step up this season. We have guys like Jenkins and Jaworski that look promising for next year but other than maybe Person, I can't think of anyone from last season who was in that position this year. That all falls on Danny Mac and the previous scouting staff.

You are quite right. However, after going to 5 straight Grey Cups and following that up with a disappointing season (where we made the playoffs and had double digit wins), a sane Wade Miller will not overreact and clean house. The chances that a less competent regime would follow this one are more likely than not. Changes? Sure! Cleaning house? That's asinine!

The franchise, and football era is nothing like either of those times though. The worst part of those moves is 1) we didn’t do our due diligence to realize kelly was crazy and awful, 2) that reinbold shouldn’t have been doing both jobs. He would have been ok as just a coach imo. Both of those messes also lead us to build the mafia as ritchie eras. We need Ol upgrades and changes no matter who is playing. Over the hill gangs time is done.

You gotta get to sask bud, Those games are a riot. I enjoy montreal a lot too even though the stadium isnt great.

The last time we cleaned house we hired Mike Kelly. The time before it was Jeff Reinbold. Just saying. If Zach stays next year, we need a couple of upgrades on the O-line...otherwise we'll be lucky to get 9 games out of him.

Do you think we win/contend if we made the following changes? We started 9 canadians, if we take thomas off the ar and lawson backs up adams/woods. Then you take lawson jr off for griffin. Kola (who had an absolutely brutal game not just blocking but snapping) off the ar vanterpool on at G eli at C. Nat imp wj, and dress either jenkins/jaworski for a pick em of imp lbers/dbs lets say ayers. With that line up the als aren’t getting gaps they can drive a truck through, or 5+ second pockets. We get solid consistent pressure instead, and when we got pressure on davis by play design we did much better on D. Imo, that line up doesn’t fall multiple majors behind in the first half. We win, and stand a very good chance vs hamilton. yes 5 snaps maybe. I had him making 2 big stops at the line on runs, but they ended up as gang tackles and credit went elsewhere. I know jones cleaned up one tackle i think kyrie the other. They got the stats (this happens a lot especially on the road)

I was wondering this during the game. I never saw him.

And too early, that’s a legit knock. Year to year I get it. I mean while i’m well past ready to move on from zach, who do you get this year that you can improve on zachs upside? I don’t see much opportunity. Also, I do get the free agency approach. We had more gaps than we could fill and couldn’t afford top tier replacements so we tried to go with volume. It was a sound approach imo, but when the cap went up we should’ve swung for the fences. As ugly as our wr core was to end it, i don’t think lawler is the difference for us.

Walters was the guy that extended Zach for big bucks... I'm 50/50 on him.

on walters, I think we had a great draft and we had several key rookie imps. Allen, woodbey, vaval, plus the peterson trade, the rookie des in the last game, bailey, etc. We also did very well in the draft, and 180’d our teams in all facets from one year to the next because of it. We busted bad in free agency and resigning period. Then you have the X factor of guys like vanterpool, who as a guard was our best ol and at worst average as a starting T. We also cycled in some pretty good improvements in the secondary. The big problem is the decisions of when we replace guys. Why did it take soo damn long to get guys like woodbey and allen in? That’s not on walters. Walters needs to be better, especially in free agency. Also, in being the boss of football ops. Not his coaches lakey. But it doesn’t matter who we bring in if we don’t play them. Or if we run them into the ground while they are hurt like with strev, zach, and schoen.

What viable alternatives. Thats BS. Top to bottom our roster got as far as it was going to. Just BS around here suggesting we were sitting on a winning roster. Knute Rockne or Bud Grant wouldn't have gotten this team anywhere. Now the mob will come for me saying I'm an MOS apologist. Nope..I think it's time we move on but I'm not going to say that based on some fictional narrative. The players that came off the bench last week and excelled just got to town with the exception of Bailey. They shouldn't is my point. At least not all of them

A fate worse than death.

I mean we did just overhaul our scouting department less than a year ago (Danny Mac aside). We hired 3 new guys (Deslauriers, Jauch & Sunderland) in January to replace Goveia & Penn so I could see them being kept on.

I’m having a hard time reconciling my Riders suck with my BC sucks. What am I to do?

Next year likely sees a shake up in management/scouting and coordinators. Collaros will be back but Elgersma and another QB will be in town. New GM will have carte Blanche to tear down this abysmal roster and will be aggressive in FA. Probably seen the last of many vets. We haven't brought in much for IMPs since Rigmaiden left and the new scouts were not good either

He should have played those downs differently. You'd think Dickenson would have told the OC to remind Adams to mind the clock.

yeah and it was nice to trot out a player who had no business being trotted out regardless of who we had in the bullpen. Fantastic.

I think the Lions are the only team left that can beat the Riders

I'm just saying, we knew we had problems and never tried other options. I wish it was just the odd time.

Its clear changes need to be made, its unclear we will see them. On Miller-Great at the off the field stuff, ie ticket sales, game day experience, promotions, not sure about the on field or whether he'll fire his buddies. On Walters-He didn't do a great job this year or the past few. On MOS-Great overall, future dude with a statue and name on the Ring of Honour, poor roster management, been here 11 years, maybe a time for a change.

Yeah it was nice to play against 3 different tackles and a useless QB too.

I like Rourke and Buck. Hoping BC does us a solid and knocks out the Riders next week.

Yea well can't let the truth get in the way of a good rant! Put em all on the practice roster!

The Harlem Globetrotters would like a word.

That’s right montreal, thanks for digging it up. He talked about it a bit this summer too after the hamilton interview, before ted got it. I think it was the youtube show for the bombers he talked about it in more depth. We have some solid agms, but I don’t think the rest are even fringe candidates on a good team today. Danny is it, and that would be pretty sub optimal. I think that only happens if walter’s takes another job but mos is retained.