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They had a great season considering where they were a year ago.

Blue Jays one foot short of winning bottom of the ninth. This game 7 had everything except of course the preferred outcome.

Not a good day for Blue teams.

As has been said before, Walters needs to act like an actual GM with Osh. He answers to Walters. He neds to know that he has to field his best lineup every game, If he can't do that then it's time to part ways.

I think that was an organizational approach, not just walters. We chose to spend that money on full pr pay, extending the pr with the 1 game ir, and with wilson. Just like drafting only for teams with the value picks this year. Walters should be making stronger lead the franchise choices, but he isn’t. that’s his biggest failing imo. Both guys have performed at a level where they deserve a boot, but i think walters is the one you can do more with and get more out of.

This past off season, Walters lost my support. We make such a big deal hosting the Grey Cup & our GM acted like it really meant nothing. Refusing to spend any money while watching a couple of big free agents walk. We all kept waiting for a big signing which never came. His sitting on his ass while blaming the CFLPA for it was the last straw for me.

So you don’t think we would’ve beat montreal with those changes, or been in it vs hamilton? Idk how you can look at this game and say lawson, thomas, kola off for griffin, imp, imp/eli doesn’t cover the spread when we took the lead as is. Hard to believe that take, especially with the lack of pressure and kolas wild snaps alone.

going to 3 straight gcs and losing, especially in the brutal way we have to back up qbs isn’t a win, it’s a loss. You’re right though, to clean house and upgrade right away is hard for that to happen and the team to improve right away is even harder. We also have to face the reality that we likely will lose guys we don’t want to and have a lot of holes to fill. If we pick one, mos is the worst of the two by far imo. But he’s hard to replace. If we got dinwiddie with walters that’d give us a chance, but the roster rebuild could leave us any where first to last. we spent a lot retaining guys. the previous team had a lot of guys playing on rookie scale deals or back up deals. After the increase came, we should’ve been aggressive. especially in that situation. that was a major failure of the franchise

Why couldn't we afford some top tier replacemnts in free agency? Remember the salary cap went up after free agency started & Walters refused to acknowledge it saying he didn't believe it was an actual increase. That the increase announced publicly would go to pensions. He blamed the CFLPA for his decision not to spend.

from ages before with no one in the org that worked with him little on had worked with in recently. He’s been more than pretty good as a teams coach and as a co at multiple levels. He was also good as an ast hc before coming here, which is why he got the job. The life style didn’t fit him and that’s why he didn’t go back to try and be a hc again. He got offers in hamilton and in the ncaa. He was never cut out for a gm role, and almost no one should do both jobs alone full time.

Not disagreeing but talent was lacking this year too No. I don't think we were a serious contender no matter what we do with our roster. I thought that my opinion on this was pretty clear

Kelly had a previous history here as offensive coordinator and did decent. At the time he never exhibited any of the batshit crazy that his head coaching tenor had. Reinbold has never been Head Coach or GM material, he has a pretty good Special Teams resume and that should have been the highest level we hired him for. Two of the biggest mistakes other than promotion of Tim Burke Bombers management have ever made.

Ok which one should be let go, in your opinion? I think it's a bit too early to judge their work. It's not their fault that the cupboard was bare when they showed up. We should have had more 2nd year guys ready to step up this season. We have guys like Jenkins and Jaworski that look promising for next year but other than maybe Person, I can't think of anyone from last season who was in that position this year. That all falls on Danny Mac and the previous scouting staff.

You are quite right. However, after going to 5 straight Grey Cups and following that up with a disappointing season (where we made the playoffs and had double digit wins), a sane Wade Miller will not overreact and clean house. The chances that a less competent regime would follow this one are more likely than not. Changes? Sure! Cleaning house? That's asinine!

The franchise, and football era is nothing like either of those times though. The worst part of those moves is 1) we didn’t do our due diligence to realize kelly was crazy and awful, 2) that reinbold shouldn’t have been doing both jobs. He would have been ok as just a coach imo. Both of those messes also lead us to build the mafia as ritchie eras. We need Ol upgrades and changes no matter who is playing. Over the hill gangs time is done.

You gotta get to sask bud, Those games are a riot. I enjoy montreal a lot too even though the stadium isnt great.

The last time we cleaned house we hired Mike Kelly. The time before it was Jeff Reinbold. Just saying. If Zach stays next year, we need a couple of upgrades on the O-line...otherwise we'll be lucky to get 9 games out of him.

Do you think we win/contend if we made the following changes? We started 9 canadians, if we take thomas off the ar and lawson backs up adams/woods. Then you take lawson jr off for griffin. Kola (who had an absolutely brutal game not just blocking but snapping) off the ar vanterpool on at G eli at C. Nat imp wj, and dress either jenkins/jaworski for a pick em of imp lbers/dbs lets say ayers. With that line up the als aren’t getting gaps they can drive a truck through, or 5+ second pockets. We get solid consistent pressure instead, and when we got pressure on davis by play design we did much better on D. Imo, that line up doesn’t fall multiple majors behind in the first half. We win, and stand a very good chance vs hamilton. yes 5 snaps maybe. I had him making 2 big stops at the line on runs, but they ended up as gang tackles and credit went elsewhere. I know jones cleaned up one tackle i think kyrie the other. They got the stats (this happens a lot especially on the road)

I was wondering this during the game. I never saw him.

And too early, that’s a legit knock. Year to year I get it. I mean while i’m well past ready to move on from zach, who do you get this year that you can improve on zachs upside? I don’t see much opportunity. Also, I do get the free agency approach. We had more gaps than we could fill and couldn’t afford top tier replacements so we tried to go with volume. It was a sound approach imo, but when the cap went up we should’ve swung for the fences. As ugly as our wr core was to end it, i don’t think lawler is the difference for us.

Walters was the guy that extended Zach for big bucks... I'm 50/50 on him.

on walters, I think we had a great draft and we had several key rookie imps. Allen, woodbey, vaval, plus the peterson trade, the rookie des in the last game, bailey, etc. We also did very well in the draft, and 180’d our teams in all facets from one year to the next because of it. We busted bad in free agency and resigning period. Then you have the X factor of guys like vanterpool, who as a guard was our best ol and at worst average as a starting T. We also cycled in some pretty good improvements in the secondary. The big problem is the decisions of when we replace guys. Why did it take soo damn long to get guys like woodbey and allen in? That’s not on walters. Walters needs to be better, especially in free agency. Also, in being the boss of football ops. Not his coaches lakey. But it doesn’t matter who we bring in if we don’t play them. Or if we run them into the ground while they are hurt like with strev, zach, and schoen.

What viable alternatives. Thats BS. Top to bottom our roster got as far as it was going to. Just BS around here suggesting we were sitting on a winning roster. Knute Rockne or Bud Grant wouldn't have gotten this team anywhere. Now the mob will come for me saying I'm an MOS apologist. Nope..I think it's time we move on but I'm not going to say that based on some fictional narrative. The players that came off the bench last week and excelled just got to town with the exception of Bailey. They shouldn't is my point. At least not all of them

A fate worse than death.

I mean we did just overhaul our scouting department less than a year ago (Danny Mac aside). We hired 3 new guys (Deslauriers, Jauch & Sunderland) in January to replace Goveia & Penn so I could see them being kept on.