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This likely worthy of a new thread but what changes should we make for next year? To me: Easy Choice-They Need to go Hogan, Kolo, Thomas, Mitchell, Logan Can Stay but needs a pay cut Zach ($600,000 is too much, $400-$450,000 would be ok) I feel like we need to move on Jefferson, Kyrie Wilson May Retire Bryant, Neufeld Don't bring back due to health Streveler, Schoen

We lost what nine guys to Hamilton ?? never mind guys we moved on from. While it may have been good to retain Lawler, I agree I don't think he woulda made a difference. I just can't believe that in a cup year we didn't go all in.

Adams is on the PR. Tells you what they think of him. The talent wasn’t there. Just cuz some rookies showed up against a Montreal team who didn’t give a **** doesn’t mean a thing. Person is sitting beside Adams on the PR btw. Aka they gonna be let go. They will be FA’s. Adams and person won’t be back here so no they don’t make a difference. Jake Thomas is the whipping boy but he never cost us games on his own, all these players people go on about, they don’t help us win but they ain’t why we losing. they can fire hogan anytime because the O was pathetic all year.

I don’t like Zach saying he’s hopes the core group is back and if not then he has options. I mean honestly, the core group needs to be changed, Brady can stay. Demski can stay. Pokey can stay on O. The rest? Not including Wallace Randolph vanterpool need to go. The core on D of Jake Willie Kyrie and maybe even Parker and Nichols needs to change. Sterns is a good 3 receiver. I’d keep him also and Clercius. I guess in reality, the O changes should be o line and scheme. The D? Some players need to change. we need a center. A guard. A tackle. A receiver better than Mitchell. And a new OC and prob should look at QB 2. D? That’s where the majority of change needs to be. Entire DL. Probably ideally Kyrie and Tony if we got the cdn kids. Couple DBs.

Yamamoto is a hell of a pitcher, I guess they have Ohtani to thank for him, as for the Jays you will see a vastly different pitching staff next year and I think Bitchette has played his last game for them.

Just like the Bombers... Winnable game. Stepped on their own dicks too many times.

yup. handicapped our self out of championships, out of contention and out of being good. If we had played a hard, tough game and lost to a more talented team or slightly better coached team that’d be fine. it’s not that we need to crush titles every year, we just need to not be blue collar. play physical, play a full game, don’t get blown out of the water physically etc

Doug Brown summed it up nicely on X about 6 hours ago: "I think the frustration with this season does not lie in the reality that the championship era has come to a close. It's that it feels like the team never gave itself the best chance by what they didn't do to fill the cupboard. This season was a proverbial knife to a gunfight." Yep, that's on Walters & maybe even Miller. A huge organizational blunder.

They had a great season considering where they were a year ago.

Blue Jays one foot short of winning bottom of the ninth. This game 7 had everything except of course the preferred outcome.

Not a good day for Blue teams.

As has been said before, Walters needs to act like an actual GM with Osh. He answers to Walters. He neds to know that he has to field his best lineup every game, If he can't do that then it's time to part ways.

I think that was an organizational approach, not just walters. We chose to spend that money on full pr pay, extending the pr with the 1 game ir, and with wilson. Just like drafting only for teams with the value picks this year. Walters should be making stronger lead the franchise choices, but he isn’t. that’s his biggest failing imo. Both guys have performed at a level where they deserve a boot, but i think walters is the one you can do more with and get more out of.

This past off season, Walters lost my support. We make such a big deal hosting the Grey Cup & our GM acted like it really meant nothing. Refusing to spend any money while watching a couple of big free agents walk. We all kept waiting for a big signing which never came. His sitting on his ass while blaming the CFLPA for it was the last straw for me.

So you don’t think we would’ve beat montreal with those changes, or been in it vs hamilton? Idk how you can look at this game and say lawson, thomas, kola off for griffin, imp, imp/eli doesn’t cover the spread when we took the lead as is. Hard to believe that take, especially with the lack of pressure and kolas wild snaps alone.

going to 3 straight gcs and losing, especially in the brutal way we have to back up qbs isn’t a win, it’s a loss. You’re right though, to clean house and upgrade right away is hard for that to happen and the team to improve right away is even harder. We also have to face the reality that we likely will lose guys we don’t want to and have a lot of holes to fill. If we pick one, mos is the worst of the two by far imo. But he’s hard to replace. If we got dinwiddie with walters that’d give us a chance, but the roster rebuild could leave us any where first to last. we spent a lot retaining guys. the previous team had a lot of guys playing on rookie scale deals or back up deals. After the increase came, we should’ve been aggressive. especially in that situation. that was a major failure of the franchise

Why couldn't we afford some top tier replacemnts in free agency? Remember the salary cap went up after free agency started & Walters refused to acknowledge it saying he didn't believe it was an actual increase. That the increase announced publicly would go to pensions. He blamed the CFLPA for his decision not to spend.

from ages before with no one in the org that worked with him little on had worked with in recently. He’s been more than pretty good as a teams coach and as a co at multiple levels. He was also good as an ast hc before coming here, which is why he got the job. The life style didn’t fit him and that’s why he didn’t go back to try and be a hc again. He got offers in hamilton and in the ncaa. He was never cut out for a gm role, and almost no one should do both jobs alone full time.

Not disagreeing but talent was lacking this year too No. I don't think we were a serious contender no matter what we do with our roster. I thought that my opinion on this was pretty clear

Kelly had a previous history here as offensive coordinator and did decent. At the time he never exhibited any of the batshit crazy that his head coaching tenor had. Reinbold has never been Head Coach or GM material, he has a pretty good Special Teams resume and that should have been the highest level we hired him for. Two of the biggest mistakes other than promotion of Tim Burke Bombers management have ever made.

Ok which one should be let go, in your opinion? I think it's a bit too early to judge their work. It's not their fault that the cupboard was bare when they showed up. We should have had more 2nd year guys ready to step up this season. We have guys like Jenkins and Jaworski that look promising for next year but other than maybe Person, I can't think of anyone from last season who was in that position this year. That all falls on Danny Mac and the previous scouting staff.

You are quite right. However, after going to 5 straight Grey Cups and following that up with a disappointing season (where we made the playoffs and had double digit wins), a sane Wade Miller will not overreact and clean house. The chances that a less competent regime would follow this one are more likely than not. Changes? Sure! Cleaning house? That's asinine!

The franchise, and football era is nothing like either of those times though. The worst part of those moves is 1) we didn’t do our due diligence to realize kelly was crazy and awful, 2) that reinbold shouldn’t have been doing both jobs. He would have been ok as just a coach imo. Both of those messes also lead us to build the mafia as ritchie eras. We need Ol upgrades and changes no matter who is playing. Over the hill gangs time is done.

You gotta get to sask bud, Those games are a riot. I enjoy montreal a lot too even though the stadium isnt great.

The last time we cleaned house we hired Mike Kelly. The time before it was Jeff Reinbold. Just saying. If Zach stays next year, we need a couple of upgrades on the O-line...otherwise we'll be lucky to get 9 games out of him.